No longer Catholic?

[goout]

goout:

one can’t be unincorporated from Christ any more than your arm is no longer part of your body.

Even though baptism is indelible and is the gateway to salvation, it is not the realization of it in the person. Co-operation is required.

Not sure if you’re saying there are Christians in hell or not. To be clear there aren’t any. Our Lord is not suffering in hell.

Wasn’t commenting at all on who’s in hell. I see the point you are making though.

 

[Nicene]

To throw a wrench into the thread what I hear being said is that Hitler was still Catholic. I’ll give my personal observation with regard to the aforementioned documents in the thread in a bit. For now just guaging how folks will reconcile the two.

It is an apt comparison as they both hold the same basic opinions regarding the church.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

Edit: gushing to guaging (hate autocorrect)

 

[MiserereMeiDei]

I hope it’s some St. Robert Bellarmine.

 

[goout]

To throw a wrench into the thread what I hear being said is that Hitler was still Catholic. I’ll give my personal observation with regard to the aforementioned documents in the thread in a bit. For now just gushing how folks will reconcile the two.

It is an apt comparison as they both hold the same basic opinions regarding the church.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

it is good to make the distinction between an ontological mark, quality or state…(like baptism)
and the state of grace of a particular person
or the development of virtue in a particular person
or the eternal disposition of one’s soul

 

[Nicene]

Apologies for the above spelling edit. Your statement is correct and can be found in the catechism in sections earlier than the ones mentioned above.

Peace and God Bless
Nicene

 

[Mike_from_NJ]

Baptism is the only requirement to be Catholic, to be a practicing Catholic has more requirements.

I think this highlights a problem with the terminology: It conflates the idea of choosing to be a Catholic and being considered a Catholic based on a ceremony that the subject may or may not have consented to. Someone being called both a Catholic and Baptist requires an extended explanation that basic terminology is supposed to handle.

One reason why people who are no longer Catholic generally do not like being called Catholic is this unclear word usage that goes against the common understanding of what it means to say a person is part of a religion. If only people would use a term for ex-Catholics that makes it clear that the person is considered Catholic via ceremony and not by choice not only would there be less confusion but less people fighting the designation.

 

[VanitasVanitatum]

One reason why people who are no longer Catholic generally do not like being called Catholic is this unclear word usage that goes against the common understanding of what it means to say a person is part of a religion. If only people would use a term for ex-Catholics that makes it clear that the person is considered Catholic via ceremony and not by choice not only would there be less confusion but less people fighting the designation.

That’s easy to avoid.