No Marriage in Heaven: Matthew 22:30

[Truth_Faith13]

There are currently threads on the LDS view on marriage AND heaven. For this thread, I want to specifically talk about Marriage IN Heaven and Matthew 22:30

New International Version
At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.

Every denomination I know except the LDS views this passage as saying there is NO marriage in heaven. The LDS say that this verse doesnt actually say there will be no marriage but that marriages will not occur (ie to marry or given in marriage) in heaven. I can see their point!

 

[gazelam]

There are currently threads on the LDS view on marriage AND heaven. For this thread, I want to specifically talk about Marriage IN Heaven and Matthew 22:30

Every denomination I know except the LDS views this passage as saying there is NO marriage in heaven. The LDS say that this verse doesnt actually say there will be no marriage but that marriages will not occur (ie to marry or given in marriage) in heaven. I can see their point!

For the benefit of others I’ll post this link addressing an LDS view of this and the other corresponding verses: en.fairmormon.org/Marriage/As_a_requirement_for_exaltation/Jesus_said_%22neither_marry_nor_given_in_marriage%22 I assume you’ve already seen it.

It concludes with this analysis by a non-LDS scholar.

The case put forward by the Sadducees is particularly extreme. Not only had six brothers attempted and failed to impregnate the woman in question, but she had also outlived them all and was single when she died. It is perhaps this last fact which prompts the question: Whose spouse will she be in the resurrection?..Jesus stresses that in the age to come people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Notice what Jesus does not say. He does not say there will be no marriage in the age to come. The use of the terms “γαμουσιν” (gamousin) and “γαμιζονται” (gamizontai) is important, for these terms refer to the gender-specific roles played in early Jewish society by the man and the woman in the process of getting married. The men, being the initiators of the process in such a strongly patriarchal culture, “marry,” while the women are “given in marriage” by their father or another older family member. Thus Mark has Jesus saying that no new marriages will be initiated in the eschatological [resurrection] state. This is surely not the same as claiming that all existing marriages will disappear in the eschatological state.” (Ben Witherington III, The Gospel of Mark: A Socio-Rhetorical Commentary, p. 328, italics added)

I hope this helps…

 

[sallybutler]

For the benefit of others I’ll post this link addressing an LDS view of this and the other corresponding verses: en.fairmormon.org/Marriage/As_a_requirement_for_exaltation/Jesus_said_%22neither_marry_nor_given_in_marriage%22 I assume you’ve already seen it.

It concludes with this analysis by a non-LDS scholar.

The case put forward by the Sadducees is particularly extreme. Not only had six brothers attempted and failed to impregnate the woman in question, but she had also outlived them all and was single when she died. It is perhaps this last fact which prompts the question: Whose spouse will she be in the resurrection?..Jesus stresses that in the age to come people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. Notice what Jesus does not say. He does not say there will be no marriage in the age to come. The use of the terms “γαμουσιν” (gamousin) and “γαμιζονται” (gamizontai) is important, for these terms refer to the gender-specific roles played in early Jewish society by the man and the woman in the process of getting married. The men, being the initiators of the process in such a strongly patriarchal culture, “marry,” while the women are “given in marriage” by their father or another older family member. Thus Mark has Jesus saying that no new marriages will be initiated in the eschatological [resurrection] state. This is surely not the same as claiming that all existing marriages will disappear in the eschatological state.” (Ben Witherington III, The Gospel of Mark: A Socio-Rhetorical Commentary, p. 328, italics added)

I hope this helps…

Does that mean some women will have multiple spouses in heaven? Not just men? What about widowers who marry widows? Will they have a group marriage (two husbands and two wives)?

Don’t Morman’s solve this problem by saying only Temple-sealed marriages count in heaven. So what happens to those whose marriages weren’t sealed?

 

[superwimp]

I personally believe in reincarnation so all the sacraments/ordinances don’t mean much to me, however, Jesus does say that we’ll be like the angels. Are the angels married for time and eternity also?

 

[Stephen168]

The LDS say that this verse doesnt actually say there will be no marriage but that marriages will not occur (ie to marry or given in marriage) in heaven. I can see their point!

Is that what Mormons actually believe; there will me no giving in marriage in heaven?

 

[John_Lazarus]

Does that mean some women will have multiple spouses in heaven? Not just men? What about widowers who marry widows? Will they have a group marriage (two husbands and two wives)?

It will turn out that everyone will be directly or indirectly married to Kevin Bacon.

 

[M-Dent]

It will turn out that everyone will be directly or indirectly married to Kevin Bacon.

Heh Heh

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Is that what Mormons actually believe; there will me no giving in marriage in heaven?

Yes, you have to remenber that their belief on when people go to Heaven is different to Catholics. Those who have already passed are in the Spirit World currently not Heaven.

 

[Horton]

There are currently threads on the LDS view on marriage AND heaven. For this thread, I want to specifically talk about Marriage IN Heaven and Matthew 22:30

Every denomination I know except the LDS views this passage as saying there is NO marriage in heaven. The LDS say that this verse doesnt actually say there will be no marriage but that marriages will not occur (ie to marry or given in marriage) in heaven. I can see their point!

Below are three quotes that essentially say the same thing.

Luke 20:34-36
34 Jesus said to them, “The children of this age marry and are given in marriage;
35 but those who are deemed worthy to attain to the coming age and to the resurrection of the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.
36 They can no longer die, for they are like angels; and they are the children of God because they are the ones who will rise.

*Mark 12:24-25
24 Jesus said to them, “Are you not misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God?
25 When they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but they are like the angels in heaven. *

*Romans 7:1-2
1 Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one lives?
2 Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. *

 

[Horton]

Yes, you have to remenber that their belief on when people go to Heaven is different to Catholics. Those who have already passed are in the Spirit World currently not Heaven.

This is based on the premise there is a “spirit world”. There is nothing outside the LDS that teaches this is true. Most of Christianity believe there is heaven and hell, Catholics believe this with the addition of purgatory.

 

[Stephen168]

Yes, you have to remenber that their belief on when people go to Heaven is different to Catholics. Those who have already passed are in the Spirit World currently not Heaven.

Are you saying they have a belief like soul sleep? I’ve heard Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses, also 19th century American religions, both believe there is no heaven until the resurrection.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Below are three quotes that essentially say the same thing.

Luke 20:34-36
34 Jesus said to them, “The children of this age marry and are given in marriage;
35 but those who are deemed worthy to attain to the coming age and to the resurrection of the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage.
36 They can no longer die, for they are like angels; and they are the children of God because they are the ones who will rise.

*Mark 12:24-25
24 Jesus said to them, “Are you not misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God?
25 When they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but they are like the angels in heaven. *

*Romans 7:1-2
1 Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one lives?
2 Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. *

That Romans quote is very helpful, thankyou!!

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Are you saying they have a belief like soul sleep? I’ve heard Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses, also 19th century American religions, both believe there is no heaven until the resurrection.

No, its kind of like a spiritual sunday school hearing the gospel either in prison or paradise

 

[Truth_Faith13]

This is based on the premise there is a “spirit world”. There is nothing outside the LDS that teaches this is true. Most of Christianity believe there is heaven and hell, Catholics believe this with the addition of purgatory.

Yes it is! Im quite good at explaining beliefs from anothers perspective.

 

[Stephen168]

No, its kind of like a spiritual sunday school hearing the gospel either in prison or paradise

Do you mean:
No, there is no heaven until the resurrection.
-OR-
No, you are wrong, there is heaven before the resurrection.

 

[Usagi]

Do you mean:
No, there is no heaven until the resurrection.
-OR-
No, you are wrong, there is heaven before the resurrection.

The impression I got from their response was, “No, there’s no ‘sleep,’ but it’s not yet Heaven (and apparently you continually hear the Gospel preached).” I would compare it to the Bible’s “Sheol/Hades” or our (Catholic) notion of the “Limbo of the Fathers” where the dead went before Jesus’ death.

 

[Horton]

That Romans quote is very helpful, thankyou!!

These were only three of many biblical scriptures that sustain the belief marriage is only for our earthly lives. I know the LDS will then pull out the Joseph Smith “scriptures” in effort to prove their theory of marriage in heaven. The reality is only the LDS believe those are true scripture, inspired by God. No other religious organization in the world holds the BoM, D&C, BoA, or any other LDS writings to be of God or true.

When you really start to compare teaching to teaching on important topics such as marriage you can begin to see how unchristian the LDS are. Their very basis for existence is built on the premise that Christianity failed, that the Church Christ gave the world was so weak it fell apart within the first 100 years. That Christianity, which was responsible for the first hospitals, the first schools, the first universities, was an abomination.

I get their approach is nothing like I’ve said here and they’ll claim it’s all about love, forever families, happiness, and joy. The reality is not quite the same. There is a book written by a former LDS about her families experience with them. Unveiling Grace smile.amazon.com/Unveiling-Grace-Story-Mormon-Church/dp/0310331129/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1481825230&sr=8-3&keywords=mormonism+unveiled
This book is an honest telling of this family’s time with the LDS.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

The entire point of the Sadducee’s question is to trap Jesus into the absurd position of believing that the hypothetical woman in heaven will be the wife of many husbands. The way Jesus responds indicates that he doesn’t agree with the Pharisees position that marriage persists in heaven. The marriages the woman went through are not there in heaven because we are not given in marriage. Mormons actually fall into the trap of the Sadducees and must believe the woman is married to all of those men in heaven.

 

[jane_doe]

The entire point of the Sadducee’s question is to trap Jesus into the absurd position of believing that the hypothetical woman in heaven will be the wife of many husbands.

The Sadducees didn’t even believe in the resurrection.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

Do you mean:
No, there is no heaven until the resurrection.
-OR-
No, you are wrong, there is heaven before the resurrection.

I mean no they don’t believe in soul sleep.

It’s death, spirit world (paradise or prison), millennium, resurrection, final judgement, heaven (I think)