NO Mass in Germany

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Isn’t the liturgy supposted to be a foretaste of heaven not hell?
http://www.kja-bowat.de/infosundtermine/img/nok05_web/Bilder/CIMG1356_JPG.jpgWhy does a church need to be used for the sacred liturgy when it is perfect for mountain climbing?
Taxi, taxi! A taxi and a gasoline filler but no altar! What do you think the church is for?
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Praise God World Youth Day will take place in Germany! So many wonderful Catholic priests invading the country!

—KCT
 
Ah, TS, up to your standard tricks! What evidence can you offer that any of this took place within a Catholic church, let alone in the context of a celebration of a Mass of Paul VI? Lots of Protestant churches are named after saints. And, if it *is *a Roman Catholic church, what is the point of posting it or the likes of it here yet again? Do you imagine that anyone who regularly attends upon these boards thinks that there are no liturgical abuses extant somewhere in the world? If you’re really concerned, shouldn’t you send the snaps to the Holy See or to the German Bishops’ Conference? Or are you trying to disparge the Novus Ordo Mass itself, not abuses of it, but the Mass itself? Or, finally, will you admit that, once again, you are simply out to get attention, simply “stirring the turd?”
 
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Ah, TS, up to your standard tricks! What evidence can you offer that any of this took place within a Catholic church, let alone in the context of a celebration of a Mass of Paul VI? Lots of Protestant churches are named after saints. And, if it *is *a Roman Catholic church, what is the point of posting it or the likes of it here yet again? Do you imagine that anyone who regularly attends upon these boards thinks that there are no liturgical abuses extant somewhere in the world? If you’re really concerned, shouldn’t you send the snaps to the Holy See or to the German Bishops’ Conference? Or are you trying to disparge the Novus Ordo Mass itself, not abuses of it, but the Mass itself? Or, finally, will you admit that, once again, you are simply out to get attention, simply “stirring the turd?”
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Look at what the top says Katolisches. It is Catholic.
 
It was NOT a Mass!

The photos are from a youth event that seems to be popular in Germany called “Night of the Open Churches”. I think they take place primarily in Catholic Churches, but seem to be spreading to the Protestant ones as well and in some places is becoming an ecumenical event.

Several Churches in a diocese or city open the doors of their facilities to the youth for the night and there are workshops, worship services, singing, scripture and evangelization themed dramatizations, rooms open for people to just sit and chat, dancing, crafts, games, etc. They also have refreshments for the kids as well. From the garbled translations available via online translation services, these events seem to be something to get the kids more involved in their faith and provide a venue for them to meet other kids as well - and even attract some kids who would never otherwise enter a Church.

…so, looking at the pictures, some of the activities don’t look to be the most appropriate thing to be doing in a Church, but don’t call it a Mass, because it’s not!

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Ok folks,
We don’t need to go to Germany to see similar events.
Alright…maybe the ‘shows’ don’t include flame blowing men but in my little town Catholic church concerts by the local musicians aren’t unusual.
Yes they perform in the sanctuary.
Yes the audience sits in the pews.
Yes there is a cost for admission. Donation is not a choice.
Yes this is secular music.
Yes there is clapping and all that stuff.
I refuse to patronize that parish. I travel a distance on Sunday for sanity.
So sad
 
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Look at what the top says Katolisches. It is Catholic.
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Okay, great. What do you suggest that we, as American Cathlics, do about this? Wouldn’t it be better addressed to the German Episcopal Conference? Or the Holy See? And you still haven’t shown that a Mass is being celebrated. But you did succeed in attracting attention to yourself. Keep stirring that turd, we wouldn’t want it to settle, now would we?
 
katolik said:
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Look at what the top says Katolisches. It is Catholic.
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Can anyone else say “broken record” or “one trick pony”?

Katholik has nothing to add except for his bias.

These pictures are not what he makes them out to be. They did not take place within the Mass.

As Jennifer says…
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jms:
It was NOT a Mass!

The photos are from a youth event that seems to be popular in Germany called “Night of the Open Churches”. I think they take place primarily in Catholic Churches, but seem to be spreading to the Protestant ones as well and in some places is becoming an ecumenical event.

Several Churches in a diocese or city open the doors of their facilities to the youth for the night and there are workshops, worship services, singing, scripture and evangelization themed dramatizations, rooms open for people to just sit and chat, dancing, crafts, games, etc. They also have refreshments for the kids as well. From the garbled translations available via online translation services, these events seem to be something to get the kids more involved in their faith and provide a venue for them to meet other kids as well - and even attract some kids who would never otherwise enter a Church.

…so, looking at the pictures, some of the activities don’t look to be the most appropriate thing to be doing in a Church, but don’t call it a Mass, because it’s not!

Jennifer http://forum.catholic.com/images/smilies/smile.gif
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Rather than learning he turns right to ridicule, hate, and misrepresentation.

Cultures are very different around the world, we can not view them though our culture.
 
Several Churches in a diocese or city open the doors of their facilities to the youth for the night and there are workshops, worship services, singing, scripture and evangelization themed dramatizations, rooms open for people to just sit and chat, dancing, crafts, games, etc. They also have refreshments for the kids as well. From the garbled translations available via online translation services, these events seem to be something to get the kids more involved in their faith and provide a venue for them to meet other kids as well - and even attract some kids who would never otherwise enter a Church.
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Yes this is called an “Open Church night” and for what reason is the church opened? To adore the Eucharistic Lord? NO, to have a party.

So now the church is a place for a chat like a coffeehouse, dancing like the pagans have, mountain climbing, and eating! No Mass, no confessions, no adoration of the Most Blessed Sacrament and this is supposted to be a church!

Hey in France, a bishop lent his cathedral out to a night club and had dancers in scant outfits, girating their bodies while priests talked to Catholics on the side. There is a way to evangelize and it doesn’t involve sacrilege.
 
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katolik:
Yes this is called an “Open Church night” and for what reason is the church opened? To adore the Eucharistic Lord? NO, to have a party.

So now the church is a place for a chat like a coffeehouse, dancing like the pagans have, mountain climbing, and eating! No Mass, no confessions, no adoration of the Most Blessed Sacrament and this is supposted to be a church!

Hey in France, a bishop lent his cathedral out to a night club and had dancers in scant outfits, girating their bodies while priests talked to Catholics on the side. There is a way to evangelize and it doesn’t involve sacrilege.
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Proof, please, of the assertion in the last paragraph. AND you STILL haven’t explained your assertion that the activities in the pics were the celebration of the NO Mass, as is implied in the title of your little thread. You really should start writing for the National Inquirer, you’ve quite the talent.
 
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JKirkLVNV:
Okay, great. What do you suggest that we, as American Cathlics, do about this?
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LOL I have to laugh at that line. American Catholics? I live in American but I am a Roman Catholic. I belong to the One Holy and Apostolic Church. Catholic means universal which means no matter Where you attend MASS it should be exactly the same around the world. But that is for a different topic.

As to what we can do as Roman Catholics in America? Not much, because we need to worry about the log in our own eye before dealing with the splinter in our brother’s.
 
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gelsbern:
LOL I have to laugh at that line. American Catholics? I live in American but I am a Roman Catholic. I belong to the One Holy and Apostolic Church. Catholic means universal which means no matter Where you attend MASS it should be exactly the same around the world. But that is for a different topic.

As to what we can do as Roman Catholics in America? Not much, because we need to worry about the log in our own eye before dealing with the splinter in our brother’s.
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Now you’re just being pedantic and holier than thou. I meant what should we as Catholics OVER HERE in America do about the pics posted by your fellow distorter of truth and I’m pretty sure anyone with the ability to read realized that. Also, “universal” doesn’t of necessity mean “precisely the same,” something St. Pius V must have realized, as he allowed rites over 200 years old to continue. But as you said, that is another topic. The log you speak of doesn’t exist for everyone, yet those of us who have the privilege of worshiping at a NO Mass celebrated with reverence spend a good portion of our time decrying the abuses of that same Mass, where they arise.
 
Some catholic churches in America have turned into multipurpose wreck rooms for the public. The public is not limited to the designated communityroom/hall. They have invaded into the worship area. What is worse is that the Church is collecting money for these bazaar activities.
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The church is St. Marien in Bochum, Germany.

It belongs to a Catholic parish, but isn’t used anymore and the parish wants to demolish it, because they cannot afford it (they have another church where they celebrate their parish masses).

There is an initiative of citizens who want to keep the church as an historic building, the pictures above are from an event that was held there to collect money for the preservation of the building.

On 5. April the city council will vote whether to allow the parish to demolish the building or to declare it an historic building, wich would mean that the building has to be kept, but is intitled to get government money for preservation.

There is no tabernacle in the church anymore.

If one posts pictures like the above he should tell the story behind them, if he doesn’t he obviously has an agenda.

Werner
 
Gelsbern wrote:
LOL I have to laugh at that line. American Catholics? I live in American but I am a Roman Catholic. I belong to the One Holy and Apostolic Church. Catholic means universal which means no matter Where you attend MASS it should be exactly the same around the world. But that is for a different topic.
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As to what we can do as Roman Catholics in America? Not much, because we need to worry about the log in our own eye before dealing with the splinter in our brother’s.
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And you STILL have a lot to learn; for instance: the ONLY adherents to the Catholic Church who are entitled to be called Roman Catholics are those Catholics who live in the City of Rome.

Are you not aware that the prefix “Roman” was a perjorative added by Protestants in order to give credence to their “Branch” theory?

You are simply digging yourself into a deeper ditch of apparent ignorance when you make factual errors such as you have been doing lately. It does not add to your credibility on more serious matters.
 
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Gelsbern wrote:

And you STILL have a lot to learn; for instance: the ONLY adherents to the Catholic Church who are entitled to be called Roman Catholics are those Catholics who live in the City of Rome.

Are you not aware that the prefix “Roman” was a perjorative added by Protestants in order to give credence to their “Branch” theory?

You are simply digging yourself into a deeper ditch of apparent ignorance when you make factual errors such as you have been doing lately. It does not add to your credibility on more serious matters.
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You know you are really starting to get on my nerves however out of charity that is all I am going to say on that.

If one says catholic these days, you get questions. Old Catholic, Independent Catholic, American Catholic, Apostolic Catholic (CACINA) etc. Roman Catholic describes the One True Church and avoids any confusion and to identify my religion among these others that call themselves catholic requires that I add the descriptive “Roman” in front of the word catholic.

As far as factual errors, you really need to go ahead and prove it. I think we have a difference in opinion on what the church has taught and is teaching but for you to say that they are factual errors, somehow puts you above man theologians and learned experts. It is only your opinion that there are errors on my behalf, and conversely, it is my opinion that you are spouting factual errors and are lost in your blind obedience to a man instead of the church.

I will pray for you.

Peace and God Bless
 
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Werner:
The church is St. Marien in Bochum, Germany.

It belongs to a Catholic parish, but isn’t used anymore and the parish wants to demolish it, because they cannot afford it (they have another church where they celebrate their parish masses).

There is an initiative of citizens who want to keep the church as an historic building, the pictures above are from an event that was held there to collect money for the preservation of the building.

On 5. April the city council will vote whether to allow the parish to demolish the building or to declare it an historic building, wich would mean that the building has to be kept, but is intitled to get government money for preservation.

There is no tabernacle in the church anymore.

If one posts pictures like the above he should tell the story behind them, if he doesn’t he obviously has an agenda.

Werner
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Thanks! So, Katolik, will you admit that you were incorrect in labeling the thread “NO Mass in Germany,” thereby implying that these pictures were taken at the celebration of an actual Mass? Will you admit that you DO have an agenda? Will you admit that you haven’t told the truth and that you’ve attempted to disturb (for no good cause, it turns out) your fellow Catholics? Classic turd stirring.
 
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gelsbern:
You know you are really starting to get on my nerves however out of charity that is all I am going to say on that.

If one says catholic these days, you get questions. Old Catholic, Independent Catholic, American Catholic, Apostolic Catholic (CACINA) etc. Roman Catholic describes the One True Church and avoids any confusion and to identify my religion among these others that call themselves catholic requires that I add the descriptive “Roman” in front of the word catholic.
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Your first sentence works for me towards you so I will repeat it here.

gelsbern, you are starting to get on my nervers however out of charity that all I am going to say on that.

“Roman” Catholic does not describe the One True Church, it actually describes one of the sui iuris churches that makes up the One True Church. This church is more correctly called the Latin Catholic Church.

Seems you forget that the universal Catholic Church is actually made up of, about, 23 sui iuris churches.

I, as well as a few others here, can not be described as Latin (or Roman) Catholics. We could be called Byzantine Catholics but if one wishes to be correct then one would have to call us by the churches we belong to.

For myself that would be a Byzantine (Ruthenian) Catholic. Then there are Ukrainian Greek Catholics and Melkite Greek Catholics, just to name a few.

And so that a gasket isn’t blown, the Ruthenian is in parenthesis as the Church has dropped it from their name as they list it.
 
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