HE’s talking about Heaven, not Hell!!! Hell is everlasting! Read the rest of the Bible !! God Bless, MemawIt is written, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” Therefore, all of God’s creation will eventually not be in pain, including those in hell. May this post be encouragement to all who are paralyzed in fear towards a God who is love.
Hell is very real. It is a place of eternal torment and suffering.It is written, "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” Therefore, all of God’s creation will eventually not be in pain, including those in hell. May this post be encouragement to all who are paralyzed in fear towards a God who is love.
We are not free to believe everything taught by Sts. Thomas Aquinas and Francis de Sales. They are NOT the Church. The Church teaches that hell is forever. Also if eternity has an end, so does God, for God is eternal.The Catechism also points out two scripture verses right below that, saying that God does not want anyone to perish, and that nothing is impossible for God. (See below). Also, it’s eternity that we don’t understand, and this could very well have an end. Now, the only one who understood what I was saying was the one who mentioned Origen, but in fact, only some of Origen’s thinking is refuted by the church. I do not look to Origen for proof, but Saint Thomas Aquinas and Saint Francis De Sales both were quoted as saying the punishment in hell can be mitigated. We are free to believe it. But more compelling are the words of Christ who came to seek and save the lost. Yes, Jesus through the gospels teaches hell, but the Greek word for eternity means age. Who knows what was lost in translation? But the Church teaches:
The Church prays that no one should be lost: “Lord, let me never be parted from you.” If it is true that no one can save himself, it is also true that God “desires all men to be saved” (1 Tim 2:4), and that for him “all things are possible” (Mt 19:26).
I’ll post it again what the Church teaches:We are not free to believe everything taught by Sts. Thomas Aquinas and Francis de Sales. They are NOT the Church. The Church teaches that hell is forever. Also if eternity has an end, so does God, for God is eternal.
The Church is not Christ? Are you kidding me? The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ guided by the Holy Spirit. You speak heresy and nothing but. Jesus promised his Church that the Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth. Hell and its permanency are DOGMA. When you speak against it, you speak lies. Do you know who the father of lies is?I’ll post it again what the Church teaches:
The Church prays that no one should be lost: “Lord, let me never be parted from you.” If it is true that no one can save himself, it is also true that God “desires all men to be saved” (1 Tim 2:4), and that for him “all things are possible” (Mt 19:26).
That’s right from the Catechism.
And the Church is not Christ, who seeks and saves the lost.
And to your second point, God transcends all time and space, God has no end. Hell, however, may very well have and end.
I’m not going to argue that the Church is Christ. Your mind is gone if you think the Church is Christ. Sure, Jesus is the head of the Church, but he didn’t write the Catechism ( which I believe is true by the way). Even JP II admitted the Church has made mistakes. This topic is about the eventual end of hell.The Church is not Christ? Are you kidding me? The Church is the Mystical Body of Christ guided by the Holy Spirit. You speak heresy and nothing but. Jesus promised his Church that the Holy Spirit would guide them into all truth. Hell and its permanency are DOGMA. When you speak against it, you speak lies. Do you know who the father of lies is?
I am not saying the Church is Christ, I said it was the Mystical Body of Christ. Christ is the head, WE are its members. The Church can make mistakes, but not when it comes to facts of Faith and Morals. In that area She is protected from error. It is with Infallible instruction the Church which Christ set up to guide sinners not only declares there is a hell but that is forever.I’m not going to argue that the Church is Christ. Your mind is gone if you think the Church is Christ. Sure, Jesus is the head of the Church, but he didn’t write the Catechism ( which I believe is true by the way). Even JP II admitted the Church has made mistakes. This topic is about the eventual end of hell.
However, the exact Greek expression is: “eis aionas aionon”. The “eis” makes every bit of difference. According to my Greek-English dictionary, the form “eis aion” means “always” or “forever”. “Eis aionas aionon” could then be translated “age upon age” or “age without end” or “world without end”.Yes, a good point is made in revelation 14. However, if heaven and earth pass away, then “day and night” may also have an end. As for forever and ever, that’s trickier. However, the ancient Greek word for “forever” is Aeon, meaning age or eon, which could just mean a long period of time.
I agree with everything you just said, including hell. However, my point was that it is possible that there will no more pain, even in hell, since it does say in the bible there will be no more pain after heaven and earth pass away.I am not saying the Church is Christ, I said it was the Mystical Body of Christ. Christ is the head, WE are its members. The Church can make mistakes, but not when it comes to facts of Faith and Morals. In that area She is protected from error. It is with Infallible instruction the Church which Christ set up to guide sinners not only declares there is a hell but that is forever.