I agree to a certain extent, although in ancient Greek it’s a bit different: “age of the ages” is a rough translation. I just think that it can be interpreted both ways in the ancient Greek. I am no expert in ancient Greek, however. I am focused more on the prophecy of “no more pain”. Also, it doesn’t explicitly say they will be tormented, but that the smoke rises up “eis aionas”.However, the exact Greek expression is: “eis aionas aionon”. The “eis” makes every bit of difference. According to my Greek-English dictionary, the form “eis aionas” means “always” or “forever”.
“Well then! This is fantastic news. Since now I know hell is temporary, I will leave in just a moment to get some drinks and cruise for prostitutes. I now no longer need to waste my time with mass, or honoring the Eucharist, or Confession. God will forgive all in the end and someday I will taste the sweet delight of heaven with the rest of the faithful. Even if hell’s torments are unimaginable I will surely reach the Perfect one thereafter and my pain will evaporate like smoke. And even if on this point I am wrong, hell’s pains are temporary?! How great is this? Even if I don’t reach heaven, the flames I will endure will vanish and i will live with the rest of my fellow sinners in peace in the caverns of hell.”I agree to a certain extent, although in ancient Greek it’s a bit different: “age of the ages” is a rough translation. I just think that it can be interpreted both ways in the ancient Greek. I am no expert in ancient Greek, however. I am focused more on the prophecy of “no more pain”. Also, it doesn’t explicitly say they will be tormented, but that the smoke rises up “eis aionas”.
Okay dude, have fun!“Well then! This is fantastic news. Since now I know hell is temporary, I will leave in just a moment to get some drinks and cruise for prostitutes. I now no longer need to waste my time with mass, or honoring the Eucharist, or Confession. God will forgive all in the end and someday I will taste the sweet delight of heaven with the rest of the faithful. Even if hell’s torments are unimaginable I will surely reach the Perfect one thereafter and my pain will evaporate like smoke. And even if on this point I am wrong, hell’s pains are temporary?! How great is this? Even if I don’t reach heaven, the flames I will endure will vanish and i will live with the rest of my fellow sinners in peace in the caverns of hell.”
You miss my point. I mean that if all creatures reach heaven regardless of how they act, then God is not just. Since God is the supreme good, if I ever reach him despite having died in mortal sin, then I win, not God. My disobedience in this case was more powerful than God’s justice. Even though I did my own thing and rejected Him even unto death, I still get to enjoy the Beatific Vision. In reality, God cannot reward the reprobate ever with anything but His justified wrath. Only those that die in His grace can obtain Heaven.Okay dude, have fun!
I thought you just said you were going to seek out prostitutes and go to hell, not bother me anymore on Catholic Answers. Once again, I’m not denying hell, just it’s eternal pain. I know God is just. Would the parent who fries his child without end for disobedience be just?You miss my point. I mean that if all creatures reach heaven regardless of how they act, then God is not just. Since God is the supreme good, if I ever reach him despite having died in mortal sin, then I win, not God. My disobedience in this case was more powerful than God’s justice. Even though I did my own thing and rejected Him even unto death, I still get to enjoy the Beatific Vision. In reality, God cannot reward the reprobate ever with anything but His justified wrath. Only those that die in His grace can obtain Heaven.
I have no plans to leave the Church and with God’s help I never will. I was giving you an illustration as to why God is just by allowing the pains of hell to be forever. I tell you, honestly, you are going against the teachings of Mother Church and this of Jesus when you say otherwise. Hell IS forever. I am done responding for the night. Know you are preaching heresy.I thought you just said you were going to seek out prostitutes and go to hell, not bother me anymore on Catholic Answers. Once again, I’m not denying hell, just it’s eternal pain. I know God is just. Would the parent who fries his child without end for disobedience be just?
I will check it out, thank you.I host a website devoted to Catholic evangelism and catechesis at www.logosensarkos.com. Go to the second page (Audio-Visuals and Essays) and look at the presentation entitled “Heaven, Hell, and Purgatory” which you can download for free.
Once again, I am not denying hell, or anything the church teaches, just pointing out it says in the bible “there will be no more pain”. God loves you.I have no plans to leave the Church and with God’s help I never will. I was giving you an illustration as to why God is just by allowing the pains of hell to be forever. I tell you, honestly, you are going against the teachings of Mother Church and this of Jesus when you say otherwise. Hell IS forever. I am done responding for the night. Know you are preaching heresy.
You really need to read up on the Church’s teaching on Hell. It is Eternal and will never be “pain free”. Four Last Things, Death, Judgement, Heaven or Hell. God Bless, MemawIt’s no pain in general, not talking about heaven, it’s talking about all of God’s universe, after the first heaven and earth pass away. Not sure if you actually read the rest of Revelation but I did. The former things have passed away at this point, and death and hell go into the lake of fire, signifying they are no more. OK, no one really understands Revelation except God, but if it says no more pain, the scripture cannot be annulled. Also, the Greek word for eternity means age, so after eternity, this time of no pain will come about. God loves you.