No more vocations in a convent... What happened?

[Aramis]

Many serious mental illnesses go undiagnosed; most of the seriously mentally ill can pass an interview.

Often, the psychologist or psychiatrist spots the evasions and redirections, and then picks apart the cover, rather than spotting the disorder itself; especially for schizo-affective, sociopathic, mild or periodic dissociative, and bipolar disorders.

On the other hand, under the DSM IV, almost everyone can be diagnosed with a disorder…

 

[KEVIN_WILCOX]

Many serious mental illnesses go undiagnosed; most of the seriously mentally ill can pass an interview.

Some of the clients are so well-versed in the signs and symptoms of mental illness they would put an intern to shame. Some I’ve met treat the therapy session as a game, attempting to rattle the therapist/counsellor and win “competition points” in manipulation and control.
A lot have been in the system so long the sessions become no more than on a parr with passing an interview, or a means of aquiring medication, health benefits, etc.

Often, the psychologist or psychiatrist spots the evasions and redirections, and then picks apart the cover, rather than spotting the disorder itself; especially for schizo-affective, sociopathic, mild or periodic dissociative, and bipolar disorders.

The most sane person was crucified.

 

[Bebekoualy]

The book I mentioned above (Praise God) showed up while perusing youtube on other catholic issues. It is called Goodbye, Good Men and written by Michael Rose.

I booked it. Thanks a lot for the information. I believe there’s great injustice towards traditional people, about too thoroughgoing people. The more you’re drawn to tradition, the more you sound silly, too fundamentalist, etc. I can see it, as I undergo it.

Michael Rose pointed that out as well. That psych testing is usually done by those hostile to the church or ignorant of theology. Not to mention I have yet to meet one american physician who I think more of than a lawyer, banker, or serial rapist. Yes, strong words, but I hate phyicians. Especially now that we have more information available and searchable and its easy to learn how poor most of their decisions are (heard of ratemds.com?). Anyway, as another poster pointed out, someone who believes that speaking words over bread turns the bread into God is easy to call crazy.

And with the USCCB hiring pro-gay advisors I don’t see the problems in the american church going away. We need a good militant Pope to clean the cancer out of the church. John Paul kind of started the process and Benedict is continuing it but I don’t know if he is going to really do much more than talk and think about it.

Another poster pointed out that psych testing is a good way to weed out people who have mental disorders who gravitate towards religious life. I would hope that anyone who has merely read a USA Today article on schizophrenia would be able to spot one. I doubt that a panel of priests and/or sisters would have trouble identifying serious psychological problems. The issue is that everyone takes the word of doctors as being above the bible. If a doctor told some people in my family that the only way to save someone was to throw them out of an airplane without a parachute, they would go for it. And most of america is still hung up on that “Doctor knows best” mentality. NICU doctors still frequently refuse to give newborns pain medication post-surgery because there is no scientific evidence that newborns feel pain. It is speculated that NICU surgeons still only give infants up to 18 months of age a paralytic (and not a knock you out drug) before doing surgery. Giving anyone a huge degree of power just because they like to be called Doctor is a bad idea.

I agree. It’s against the Gospel to dismiss somebody because he has got a psychological disorder. And Modern Psychology consider most people perturbed.

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I’ll have a look at a traditional convent. I need “fresh air”, the pre-conciliar point of view as well. But they’re cloistered, so I’ll see them only in a parlour.

By wanting to be ecumenical, the Modern Church forgets about its roots. It’s more “protestant”, no longer attached to what it used to be but abhors tradition. It has nothing to do with Vatican II itself, but with the way some parishes interpret it. Things were added from the texts themselves, because there is on no account obligation to take communion in the hands, to get rid of altar rails, to have altars girls, to take people much older in Religious Orders… what a waste!

'Still praying the Rosa Mystica prayer and the Rosary almost every day. :blush: Thanks for your help (all of you). God bless you!