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I am surprised that there are that many people who know her well enough to actually be that annoyed.
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CilladeRoma
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It is not about the person who is giving me the Eucharist, it is about WHO I am receiving.
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Maximilian75
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But, as the OP said, couldn’t approaching that person bring to mind their rudeness and therefore distract you from Christ?
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Duesenberg
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“Everyone”? No, I doubt it. “Many” would be more accurate in my opinion.Taking your complaints at face value, does everyone in your parish really know about all of this and is really offended?
Did you happen to read where I wrote:Any number of people might know the woman by sight, and even know her position, but if they don’t have teenagers in their home, are seasoned citizens or people with only young children, why would they know all these details to be that offended that they wouldn’t enter her communion line?
…She is the coordinator of a number of what I would call critical/delicate ministries. One of them for example is teen confirmation…
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Duesenberg
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Thank you for your terrific insight. It’s not as if these people voiced anger as they were switching lines. They did it very quietly. If I did not know this person, or if I would have been a visitor, I would have really wondered what was going on – not because of anything said, but just the number that crossed over.I am confused, why do we have to accept a Sacrament from someone to be polite?
The laity has the power to vote with their feet. For many, this is the only power they exercised. Why is the higher burden being placed on the people in the pews instead of the person handling the Eucharist?
If you have so annoyed so many people no one is in your communion line, prehaps this is a subtle admonishment of your actions.
I am not required to go to the EMHC. If I have concerns about a preist, I would switch parishes but I am not going to leave a parish because of an EMHC. Now, if an usher tells me to get in that line I will. But that’s because I like and respect our ushers.
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Duesenberg
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It’s quite possible that it would. I agree that ideally it should not, but if something as simple as changing lines can help ensure that it will not, why not do it?But, as the OP said, couldn’t approaching that person bring to mind their rudeness and therefore distract you from Christ?
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Duesenberg
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She’s been the coordinator of a number of delicate/important ministries at my parish for 13-14 years.I am surprised that there are that many people who know her well enough to actually be that annoyed.
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Maximilian75
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Precisely. Do all that you can to ensure that you can reccieve Christ prayerfully… Whether that’s kneeling or standing, on the tounge or in the hand, from the priest or a preferred EMHC…
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Duesenberg
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That’s a good thing if it’s possible to do so. It’s not, however.It would be such a distraction for me to know so much about the person. That’s why I choose to be totally in the dark in regards to politics at the parish.
There are a lot of things I no longer get involved with at my parish in order to avoid politics.
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Duesenberg
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Sooooo many people do that at my parish. I do too to a large degree. Not optimal, but one heck of a lot better than getting deeply involved and in the process taking a bunch of spiritual lumps.Sounds very similar to our old parish. Very sad situation and hard for those who are there for the right reasons.
Now we go pray, worship smile and leave. Completely under radar.
There is a very good parish about 20 miles from me. I attend a second Sunday Mass there at least once a month. I get along well with the pastor. He asked me once why I didn’t attend full time? I was honest – I said I need to keep his parish like a sanctuary/place of retreat of sorts, where my wife and I are completely insulated from parish politics. He smiled and nodded. He knew exactly what I was talking about.
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StephieNorthCo
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Tend to agree. In my case it’s probably as much naivete as under the radar. I simply miss a lot of political innuendo at Church unless I get clubbed over the head by them.
It’s sad when politics gets involved, but, yeah, I guess it does.
It’s sad when politics gets involved, but, yeah, I guess it does.
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casslean
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As opposed to whom? Do you have several saints walking around your parish who you can enlist as EMHCs?Crossing over to avoid a difficult personality in that context is clearly not the right thing to do, but is it really prudent to allow someone who treats others poorly to become an EMHC in the first place?
We all have flaws. None of them should stop us from serving as our time and talents permit. I’m afraid the people in the wrong here were the ones who “crossed over” and created a public scandal, and the priest should certainly not be caving to that kind of public pressure. Had that happened at our parish, I am reasonably confident the priest would have stopped everything and had some firm words with the guilty individuals.
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phil19034
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This is the key point. I’m a member of Generation X, and I find that a number of Baby Boomers who volunteer at the Church (obviously not all of them) are very territorial.The result however that the existing old timers treated the new people like scabs unless they were very subservient to the old timers. That resulted in a great many people coming and going, with only difficult people sticking around.
I’m not sure why that is. While I do know of a few Generation X people who can be territorial at Church, for the most part, it’s only the Baby Boomers for whatever reason.
Matthew Kelly has a pretty good book that touches on this. People like that chase away a ton of potential volunteers. People deal with drama and office politics all week long… very few people want deal with drama and politics at Church.
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Duesenberg
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Your saints hyperbole aside, there are more than enough EMsHC at that Mass. A shortage cannot be claimed as an excuse in this instance.As opposed to whom? Do you have several saints walking around your parish who you can enlist as EMHCs?
That’s simply not true – unless you actually recognize that some people simply don’t pack the gear for the ministries they take on.We all have flaws. None of them should stop us from serving as our time and talents permit.
No way – at least not those that crossed-over with the intent of keeping their minds peacefully clear just before receiving Holy Communion.I’m afraid the people in the wrong here were the ones who “crossed over”
Who said the priest saw it?>and created a public scandal, and the priest should certainly not be caving to that kind of public pressure.
Stopped a Mass for this? I would certainly hope not.Had that happened at our parish, I am reasonably confident the priest would have stopped everything and had some firm words with the guilty individuals.
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brian_custer
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i cross the communion line to go to a priest or deacon; as OP said there is no shortage of LEMs in most parishes
why bother w/ the politics; i try to get communion from the priest, if at all possible
why bother w/ the politics; i try to get communion from the priest, if at all possible
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Duesenberg
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VERY territorial. The worst often seem to be the oldest boomers and especially remaining members of the Greatest Generation. I think Gen X’ers are more laid back in general and they haven’t had to endure as much “spirit of Vatican II” drama as their older brethren.This is the key point. I’m a member of Generation X, and I find that a number of Baby Boomers who volunteer at the Church (obviously not all of them) are very territorial.
There is another BIG issue. Many older folks are witnessing a rejection of many of the (“spirit” of Vatican II) things they have spent a lifetime pushing inside the Church. That’s bound to have an impact on people.
Does Kelly touch on the damage that’s done to the Church when those who voice their concerns in a constructive manner are attacked/muzzled?Matthew Kelly has a pretty good book that touches on this. People like that chase away a ton of potential volunteers. People deal with drama and office politics all week long… very few people want deal with drama and politics at Church.
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Gingersnaps4
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Wow, hopefully that will be a wake up call for this person. I would take a serious look at myself and figure out what I was doing wrong if I were volunteering and had people avoiding me! That said, was this the first time this person has volunteered to be an EM and if not, does this always happen?
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Duesenberg
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No.That said, was this the first time this person has volunteered to be an EM
I don’t know.does this always happen?
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