No one suspicious of Judas at the Last Supper

[Bruce_Killian]

A reason why Judas was above suspicion was because he was given the place of honor on Jesus’ left (In Roman dining every position had greater or lesser honor). John (who was on Jesus’ right) at the request of Peter leaned close as secretly asked Jesus who the betrayer would be and Jesus told him privately that the one He gave the morsel to would be the one. Part of the Seder meal includes sharing a sandwich made to matzah and harosheth and maybe bitter herbs with one of your neighbors.
Grace and peace,
Bruce

 

[sirach2v4]

We have the benefit of hindsight and of the whole of the Gospels to inform us. The Apostles didn’t. To them it was an unfolding event with an unknown future. Even though Jesus had plainly told them he would be betrayed, handed over to the Gentiles, crucified and rise on the third day, they didn’t get it. This is, in part, because their ideas about the Messiah were centered on an earthly reign and also, after seeing Jesus perform miracles, they couldn’t imagine he could be taken and killed, even though he predicted it. They were, at this time, spiritually blind and deaf. One of the Gospels tells us that they thought Judas was going to buy something needed for the dinner after he left. They just weren’t “plugged in” as to what was really going on. It wasn’t until Pentecost that they put things together and finally understood who Jesus truly was and what his mission had actually been. This shows that man in his natural state cannot grasp the things of God, but needs God’s grace to see and to do God’s will.

“…until Pentecost…”? Don’t you think they suspected something was “up” when he killed himself?

 

[Della]

“…until Pentecost…”? Don’t you think they suspected something was “up” when he killed himself?

The Apostles didn’t put everything together until Pentecost–the meaning of it all. Even at Jesus’ ascension they were thinking he had come to establish an earthly kingdom. It wasn’t until they’d prayed for nine days and received the outpouring of the Holy Spirit that they truly “got it.” They knew Judas had betrayed Jesus, of course, but the full ramifications of Jesus life and mission and Judas’ place in it had not yet “clicked.”

 

[LilyM]

I thought Jesus told everyone that the one whom he passed the morsel to was to betray him. That man happened to be Judas. If the others did not listen, then at least John the disciple whom Jesus loved would have heard him because he asked Jesus the question when he reclined towards His chest. Did John keep it a secret from everyone? Was he in disbelief?

It’s not like everything the Apostles said and did is recorded in scripture. Their reaction to judas’ betrayal, assuming they understood that he was the betrayer, really doesn’t matter in the Biblical scheme of things, so it’s quite possible they did react but what they said and did wasn’t written down.

 

[LegoGE1947]

It’s not like everything the Apostles said and did is recorded in scripture. Their reaction to judas’ betrayal, assuming they understood that he was the betrayer, really doesn’t matter in the Biblical scheme of things, so it’s quite possible they did react but what they said and did wasn’t written down.

And that darn tape recorder went on the fritz so what they said wasn’t caught that way either!

 

[Evan]

And that darn tape recorder went on the fritz so what they said wasn’t caught that way either!

I think there was an 18.5 minute gap in the tape. Verrrryyy suspicious.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixon_White_House_tapes

 

[irenaeuslyons]

I’ve been reading the Last Supper in the gospels and it occur to me why none of the apostles were suspicious of Judas. Matthew 26:20-25 has Jesus confirming Judas was the betrayer when Judas asked if he was the one. In John 13:29-30 Jesus said that the person who would betray him would be handed the morsel. That person was Judas. For these reasons, I don’t get how the apostles would just sit there and not have any remarks about it. Please help me

Think about it this way. Jesus also said Peter would deny him. Peter said no. It can be assumed that Judas would act similarly. Also, we don’t know if Jesus only said that to those sitting right next to him… ie John.

 

[Bruce_Killian]

Also, we don’t know if Jesus only said that to those sitting right next to him… ie John.

I have to disagree, It does not take a genius to figure out that if Peter signals John to ask Jesus, rather than just shouting down the table that Peter wanted the question and answer to be private. John 13:24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
grace and peace.
Also why are we told that John was so close to Jesus?
John 13:24 He then lying on Jesus’ breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
Since Jesus answered him and Judas did not hear, because then he would know that everyone knew. It is save to understand that the conversation was private.
Grace and peace,
Bruce

 

[LegoGE1947]

“…until Pentecost…”? Don’t you think they suspected something was “up” when he killed himself?

Well, hey, just because Judas wanted to just “hang around” in the city dump for awhile, nothing suspicious about that.

 

[irenaeuslyons]

It does not take a genius to figure out that if Peter signals John to ask Jesus, rather than just shouting down the table that Peter wanted the question and answer to be private.
Bruce

First of all, It does not take a genius? Really? Anyway, not even a genius could know for sure all who were in earshot. Secondly, my post was not a response to yours, it was to the original post and assumption that everyone heard it, so I posited that we don’t know if it was only those near him, so as to give an alternate view closer to the position that fewer people heard it; it was not to be taken that we know nothing or have no clues.