No one told me we weren't supposed to hold hands!

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(FYI - the response wasn’t from a priest - not that it makes much difference.)

But you’re not NOT supposed to hold hands either.

If holding the hands of a spouse or child or parent or friend is beneficial to you during the Our Father (or at any other time) please feel free to do so.

There’s no prohibition.

Good manners and common sense would dictate that we don’t grab someone else’s hand.
It is prohibited in our diocese, but this presume A) you read the buletin where it was addressed B) you obey what you read.

Given the number that still insist, it isn’t being well grasped (no pun intended).

I simply have my eyes closed so I don’t have to see if someone wants my hand. I don;t like the idea of improvising things in Mass because we feel like it, however well intended people may be.
 
Good thing I didn’t specifically call them an Ordinary Minister of Holy Communion. 🤷 Read my original post. I said that EMHC shouldn’t become ordinary ministers. I didn’t say they cannot be ordained. I said that their use should not be ORDINARY because they are by nature EXTRAordinary.

You obviously know what I meant, so please stop hounding me about this quibble, alright?
You STILL don’t understand. They are by nature EXTRAordinary BECAUSE they are not ordained.

I understood what you meant and you were using the terms incorrectly in trying to deride a valid ministry. If you can be critical enough to complain the EMHCs are over-used (which I tend to agree with, at least during weekday Masses), you should at least understand what the terms mean. And “Extraordinary” does not mean “rare”.

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You STILL don’t understand. They are by nature EXTRAordinary BECAUSE they are not ordained.

I understood what you meant and you were using the terms incorrectly in trying to deride a valid ministry. If you can be critical enough to complain the EMHCs are over-used (which I tend to agree with, at least during weekday Masses), you should at least understand what the terms mean. And “Extraordinary” does not mean “rare”.

Peace

Tim
It does not mean rare, but they are only supposed to be used when needed. 🤷 I think you both need to give each other a break. You might have different opinions about how often they are needed, but at least you can agree that they are only supposed to be used when needed and let it be at that.
 
You STILL don’t understand. They are by nature EXTRAordinary BECAUSE they are not ordained.

I understood what you meant and you were using the terms incorrectly in trying to deride a valid ministry. If you can be critical enough to complain the EMHCs are over-used (which I tend to agree with, at least during weekday Masses), you should at least understand what the terms mean. And “Extraordinary” does not mean “rare”.
I’m not deriding a valid ministry. You can twist my words to make it seem so, but I’m not. They have a valid function. I criticize on pastoral grounds using them to shave a few minutes off of Holy Communion when the reason they exist is so you don’t need dozens of clergy for very populous Masses, like at cathedrals or World Youth Day.
 
It is prohibited in our diocese, but this presume A) you read the buletin where it was addressed B) you obey what you read.

Given the number that still insist, it isn’t being well grasped (no pun intended).

I simply have my eyes closed so I don’t have to see if someone wants my hand. I don;t like the idea of improvising things in Mass because we feel like it, however well intended people may be.
So when I hold my kids’ or my wife’s hands I’m improvising?:confused:
 
Why hold hands just for the Pater Noster and not for the Collect or the Agnus Dei? It’s notable for being the only congregational prayer in the Ordinary that has the priest with outstretched arms. It also seems to be a near-universal custom for the people holding hands to then raise them during the doxology.

It seems plainly obvious to me that the point of holding hands at this part of the Holy Mass is because it mimics the priest’s gestures. Same goes for holding your hands up when you respond “and with your spirit”.
Maybe people hold hands during the Our Father because we are addressing God as “daddy” Abba… intimate, personal, and loving.

That’s why our family holds hands at this point. It’s natural.
 
So, I was just browsing through the Forums, when I came across this response from Father:

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=129571&highlight=communion+blessing+non-catholics

It says we are NOT supposed to hold hand’s during the Lord’s Prayer? I had no idea. :eek:

I have NEVER been to a parish where people didn’t hold hands.
In the UK, very few people hold hands, and in truth those that do are, more often than not Americans (as we have quite a few Americans in our parish). I’ve always looked at it and thought, “That must be an American thing”.

The Our Father is really a penitential prayer and warrants a reverent, personally reflective posture. When we face the Lord on our Day of Judgement, we do so alone, personally accountable for our own sins…
 
So when I hold my kids’ or my wife’s hands I’m improvising?:confused:
The origins seem like improvisation where none was warranted or asked for. What you do is your business. My wife wasn’t a fan of me putting the kibosh on the family hand holding in Mass, but she is fine now. We hold hands during other prayers outside of Mass.
 
Just curious… but if I stand at the same time as the priest would that not have the same theological significance of attempting to claim that there is no difference between me and the priest as well? Do you see what I’m getting at? Just because the people do something similar to the priest at some point does not mean that they are signifying that there is no difference between them and the priest. 🤷
No. First Ecumenical Council, canon XX…
Forasmuch as there are certain persons who kneel on the Lord’s Day and in the days of Pentecost, therefore, to the intent that all things may be uniformly observed everywhere (in every parish), it seems good to the holy Synod that prayer be made to God standing.
When we offer prayers, we should be standing. At least, on sundays.
 
I’ve seen some do so. It is the only serious liturgical abuse I’ve experienced.
Our recently retired pastor of 13 years held hands with the servers on both sides at every Mass I ever attended.
 
? That seems a little off-topic…
Not really.

In the Roman Mass, all active prayers are offered standing, except the penitential ones. (Even those penitential violate the canon - but that’s a digression.) The times of sitting are during meditation, instruction, and action by others (the collection).

Thus, standing when the priest does for collective prayer is not imitation of the priest. It is standing to offer active prayer to the Lord. And it dates back to the 300’s.
 
Families are holding hands now? :eek:
What’s next, hugs, kisses, singing of songs?
We live in a dangerous world!!
We’ve gotten so touchy feely we’ve lost our sense of resolve.

Personally, I blame Vatican II.
 
I wonder just how much energy and time has been wasted debating this matter? 😦

You want to hold hands? Then hold hands, but don’t ever force/coerce anyone else to!

It’s as simple as that!
Makes sense to me! 🙂

Satan must be enjoying himself. When we get all worked up over those who hold hands during Mass, we tend to forget about all our own besetting sins that honestly hurt the Church of Jesus Christ and bring shame to the Name of Jesus.
 
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