No Real Presence of Jesus Christ in Protestant Churches

[cheddarsox]

A non-Christian pantheist? As a non-Christian, I assume you don’t believe in Jesus Christ (He was God, He rose from the dead, etc., etc.) Yet, you also stated that you believe in the Real Presence of Jesus in the Eucharist (quite a few posts ago) and you even mentioned to someone that you might just be the person kneeling next to them at adoration?
Sounds like a confusing, irrational set of beliefs to me…

I think that most beliefs sound pretty confusing and irrational to those who don’t hold and practice them. The purpose of religion and faith is not to appear wise, cohesive or sensible to the people around us.

I expect that I do not believe all the same things as you do about Christ, but I do believe in him, and the Real Presence.

 

[kaysette]

“…Catholic sinning all the time and confessing…” Makes you wonder if those Protestsnt observers are “shadowing” Catholics all day long or if they just hire Private Detectives.

Makes you wonder too about the passage: “…they see the splinter in their neighbor’s eye but do not see the log in their own eye…”

Maybe they should try putting the Private Detective on THEMSELVES for just one week. They will get an “EYEFUL !”

Oh, you mean don’t know that Protestant’s sins are covered by the blood of Jesus and Catholic’s aren’t? They are “just as though they never sinned,” even if they do sin.

JUST KIDDING --although your point is WELL TAKEN. I have really come to respect HONEST Christians who are ashamed of their sins and DEAL WITH THEM, rather than to deny them.

 

[Randy_Carson]

When Jesus said to Peter, “Thou art Peter and upon this Rock I build My Church…and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it.”

Obviously, Jesus is telling us that the Church will be attacked by Satan until the Last Day. This may mean that within the Church itself we will experience betrayals of commitment; and other sins and crimes. Hell is a real place with real evil spirits that attack the Church.

Denying the “Real Presence” is the “Big Kahuna” of attacks.

Should we even doubt that Jesus presence is not what He said it is that would be the beginning of the end for the Catholic Church.

What may happen is SOME will follow this doubt but not ALL. That insures the Church’s survival. Christ is truly present Body, Soul and Divinity in the Holy Eucharist. Have no doubt about It.

Agreed 100%. :tiphat:

 

[Contarini]

Of course Deal Hudson lost his job and most of his credibility in the Church.

Only after the evil, liberal NCR brought the matter up years later did he lose any credibility among conservative Catholics. He did lose his job at Fordham, and I for one think that his punishment should have stopped there. I’m not saying that the later raking up of the scandal was correct, but the fact is that his fame among Catholics began after the incident at Fordham, so factually speaking you are wrong.

You completely miss my point. I am not attacking Catholicism–I am describing what seems to be a pattern of evangelicals feeling liberated by the greater cultural freedom in Catholicism, and having trouble handling it as well as the cradles do. Don’t be hyper-sensitive. I was not saying that Catholics were more likely to be alcoholics–they may be less likely to because they are taught how to handle it. My point was that a culture of social drinking and even tolerance of mild intoxication is common among Catholics (and among Episcopalians, for that matter), and evangelicals typically find this shocking.

I think that Catholics generally speaking have a healthier approach to these things than evangelicals. My version of evangelicalism, at least, was far too neurotic. But there’s a common notion on these forums that evangelicals are lax and Catholics take the moral life more seriously. That may be true of some evangelicals compared to some Catholics. It’s not true of the background I come from compared to the average devout, orthodox, practicing Catholic (i.e., someone who would go to daily Mass when possible, never use birth control, etc.). It was a very new experience to me to say the Rosary with Catholic undergrads and then be invited (at about 11 PM) to go out dancing with them (at that point I still had a lot of holiness hangups and declined).

Edwin

 

[Mickey]

It was a very new experience to me to say the Rosary with Catholic undergrads and then be invited (at about 11 PM) to go out dancing with them (at that point I still had a lot of holiness hangups and declined).

Oh no! Not the evil dancing cult!

 

[guanophore]

This is the type of claim that turns me off to our Church. Jesus said that where more than 2 gather in his name, he is present.

He did, but he also said “if you do not eat by flesh and drink my blood, you have no life within you”. The statement above he made to his apostles, they were already believers, and already practicing his commandments. He gave them the sacraments. Jesus did not intend for them to gather outside of the sacraments (excluding them).

In the last commisssion, he said “make disciples, teaching them to do ALL I have commanded”. That includes the sacramental life.

However, I do believe that Jesus is present in a different way in non-sacramental groups that gather for prayer, teaching and fellowship.