No salvation outside of the Church?

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Your question is quite interesting, does a Saint in heaven or a human on Earth have free will, seems to be it.
So I will play a scenario for you, you are married, you love your wife dearly. She asks you to get her a chocolate cake.
You, on the other hand, totally hate chocolate.
But you go out and buy her the cake, bring it to your wife and both of you eat it, without letting her know your dislike.
Clearly you are free to NOT buy the chocolate cake. You could go out and buy a strawberry and whipped cream cake instead, which you do love or flatly deny her request.
But because there are is a relationship of love you do this for her.

This is what I think goes one with Saint in Heaven. He sees GOD who’s love Himself. And because of this he also loves all that GOD loves which is all and everyone of us.
Please don’t ask for an intercession on chocolate cake. 😉

Peace!
 
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It may turn out to be the other way around. Much of your family may make it to heaven but you may not.
 
I think the Judgement will surprise a great number of people. It will be an upside down world, a decision of bewildering consequences. “Thus, the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

In fact I even wonder whether, at the last moment of our temporal lives, we might get a glimpse of God’s unfathomable decisions, and be tested like Lucifer was when he was given a vision of Mary. We might say to God then: “That person’s glory exceeds mine?” It will be very embarrassing and humiliating to everyone.
 
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I think the Judgement will surprise a great number of people.
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I’m sure @bruisedreed, our judgment will surprise a great number of us.

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St. Augustine on Grace and Predestination

I.(1) On human interaction with grace: Every good work, even good will, is the work of God.
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De gratia Christi 25, 26: “For not only has God given us our ability and helps it, but He even works [brings about] willing and acting in us; not that we do not will or that we do not act, but that without His help we neither will anything good nor do it”
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De gratia et libero arbitrio 16, 32: “It is certain that we will when we will; but He brings it about that we will good … . It is certain that we act when we act, but He brings it about that we act , providing most effective powers to the will.”
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Ibid. 6. 15: “If then your merits are God’s gifts, God does not crown your merits as your merits, but as His gifts.”
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Ep. 154, 5. 16: “What then is the merit of man before grace by which merit he should receive grace? Since only grace makes every good merit of ours, and when God crowns our merits, He crowns nothing else but His own gifts.”
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St. Augustine is called, rightly, the Doctor of Grace, for his great work. Augustine showed very well our total dependence on God.

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Aquinas said, "God changes the will without forcing it . But he can change the will from the fact that he himself operates in the will as he does in nature,” De Veritatis 22:9. 31. ST I-II:112:3. 32. Gaudium et Spes 22; "being …
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CCC 308 The truth that God is at work in all the actions of his creatures is inseparable from faith in God the Creator.
God is the first cause who operates in and through secondary causes:
"For God is at work in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.
Far from diminishing the creature’s dignity, this truth enhances it.
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CCC 307 God thus enables men to be intelligent and free, causes in order to complete the work of creation, … Though often unconscious collaborators with God’s will, they can also enter deliberately into the divine plan. They then fully become “God’s fellow workers” and co-workers for his kingdom.
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God preserves the universe in being; He himself operates in and with every creature in each and all its activities.

There is nothing outside God’s creating, sustaining and governing will.
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There is a supernatural intervention of God in the faculties of the soul, which precedes the free act of the will, (De fide dogma).
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CCC 2022 The divine initiative in the work of grace precedes, prepares, and elicits the free response of man.
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God bless
 
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Wow, thank you all for great responses. I am so grateful.

Please continue the conversation.

Plus…the indulgence for all souls was extended. I’m going to be taking this chance to pray for my grandfather.
 
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