I will do my best to respond to your posts, but since there are so many, you’ll have to forgive me, if I miss something. Please let me know if I’ve inadvertently skipped something you’d like me to respond to.
Where on earth did you come by such a preposterous notion? If you are quoting someone else’s preposterous notion, then I missed it. Where is origin of this drivel?
Drivel? That’s not what I would call the teachings of the Church.
“We are compelled in virtue of our faith to believe and maintain that there is only one holy Catholic Church, and that one is apostolic. This we firmly believe and profess without qualification. Outside this Church there is no salvation and no remission of sins…” Pope Boniface VIII,
Unam Sanctam (Denzinger 468)
If you would’ve kept reading my posts, you would’ve seen it… which, you did, and you responded thus:
When sins are remitted for those who are not visibly Catholics, it happens through the Church. We may not be able to see all those whom Christ has joined to Himself as visible Catholics. Baptism, which remits all sins, personal and original, joins a person to the One Church founded by Christ. They are baptized into Him, and are made members of His One Body. They may not realize that their sins were remitted through a Catholic Sacrament, but they are.
When you speak about the Sacrament of Baptism, you are correct (because Baptism makes them essentially “Catholic” until they embrace heresy). However, for those sins committed by non-Catholics after Baptism, there is no remission of sin. They have no recourse the Sacrament of Confession (or Anointing) outside of the Catholic Church.
Everyone is saved by grace, through faith. Non-Catholic Christians are alsom members of His Church.
The Magisterium would not agree:
Pope Pius XII,
Mystici Corporis #22
“Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized
and profess the true faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the Body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed. “For in one spirit” says the Apostle, “were we all baptized into one Body, whether Jews or Gentiles, whether bond or free.” As therefore in the true Christian community there is only one Body, one Spirit, one Lord, and one Baptism, so there can be only one faith. And therefore, if a man refuse to hear the Church, let him be considered - so the Lord commands - as a heathen and a publican. It follows that those who are divided in faith or government cannot be living in the unity of such a Body, nor can they be living the life of its one Divine Spirit.”
vatican.va/holy_father/pius_xii/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_29061943_mystici-corporis-christi_en.html
This seems like a very destructive attitude to me, and does not represent what the Catechism teaches.
Are you one of those Pius X society people?
Do you beleive that the current pope is valid?
It is what the Catechism teaches. Read it carefully and closely.
No, I am not a member of the SSPX… they have wrong views about EENS (saying Hindus can get to Heaven by being good Hindus and other such nonsense). I attend a Novus Ordo daily Mass at my diocesan Cathedral.
Of course I believe the current Pope is valid. I love our Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI! I even saw him when he visited the States. It would be the epitome of irony (and stupidity!) to defend EENS and reject the Holy Father.
Actually, the Orthodox uphold the primacy of the successor of Peter. It is the throwing of his weight around, and insistence in perpetuating his authority in secular matters, as well as matters under the see of other bishops that has created the problems. However, they are in union with the Catholic Church with the other 98%.
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It is the Church of Pius X who declares that the Orthodox have valid holy orders, valid sacraments, the right road of reason, teach the truth, and are rightfully the other “lung” of the Church.
I think you are confusing the Eastern Orthodox with the Eastern Catholic churches (/“rites”) which ARE in union with the Roman Catholic Church. The Orthodox are not in union with the Church.
The other “lung” (i.e., the eastern lung of the Church) is those Eastern Catholic churches which need to cling to their Eastern identities instead of allowing themselves to be latinized.
Do you not realize that many of our separated brethren do the will of the Father better than nominal Catholics?
The will of the Father is not to be outside His Church.
Then you disagree with the Catechism, which indicates that God uses non-Catholic ecclessial communities to draw people to Himself?
To Himself IN the Catholic Church… His Church.
God will draw ANYONE to Himself (to His Church) who is open to His grace, no matter where they are.
Do you honestly think there are no saints in heaven that are not canonized?
That’s not what I said. Read carefully, please.
You are free to defend anything you want since you will defend wrong doing. I am not. If I present truth about the problems that popes have created on their own, I can be banned for telling the truth. Ya gonna report me?
Report you?