No Sign of Reverence

[paperwight66]

Exactly. Another point has occurred to me. We are supposed to say ‘Amen’ before receiving, but occasionally someone doesn’t do so before receiving from the chalice. Should EMHCs object? No, because judging from my own experience as a normal communicant. sometimes there isn’t enough time to swallow the Host in between the two events.

So, in other words, there are rules, but commonsense and a willingness to ascribe good motives to other people must prevail.

 

[sedonaman]

I distribute the chalice sometimes in our parish and it bugs me to no end how irreverant people are. Most people do not make the required bow of reverence. Since the bow is required for those who wish to recieve while standing, should I deny those who refuse to? Anybody else ever done this? If so, what’s a good way to kindly but effectively remind people/ Thanks.

What about a man wearing a hat?

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

And the pope’s recommendation is to receive kneeling.

Has the pope actually come out with such a recommendation or is this an assumption based on the practice done at Papal Masses?

 

[promethius]

What about a man wearing a hat?

The answer to that depends on if he is carrying a weapon or not

 

[martininthefiel]

What about a man wearing a hat?

That would be reason to deny Communion.

As my grandmother often reminded me: Christian men remove their hats when entering a room.

Traditionally, women cover their heads in church. If you are a true traditionalist, you should know this. LOL

In all honesty, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a male communicant wearing a hat, except maybe a cardinal wearing a skullcap.

 

[sedonaman]

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Traditionally, women cover their heads in church. If you are a true traditionalist, you should know this. LOL

I remember as a pre-teen being in church waiting in line for confession when a woman walked in with a paper towel pinned to the top of her hair. I had to admire her for being resourceful.

 

[TimothyH]

I remember as a pre-teen being in church waiting in line for confession when a woman walked in with a paper towel pinned to the top of her hair. I had to admire her for being resourceful.

There is a very special place in Heaven for people like that.

-Tim-

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

I think some of these postings are really out of control in terms of EM’s denying Communion. In a time where the Eucharist was and is given to prominent non-Catholics (Clinton) and pro-abortion “Catholic” politicians (Kerry, Pelosi et al), I do not see where EM’s have the authority from the Church to make Communion denial decisions regarding anyone, least of all individuals who are merely thought not to have bowed their heads appropriately.

 

[thomas_jd]

I distribute the chalice sometimes in our parish and it bugs me to no end how irreverant people are. Most people do not make the required bow of reverence. Since the bow is required for those who wish to recieve while standing, should I deny those who refuse to? Anybody else ever done this? If so, what’s a good way to kindly but effectively remind people/ Thanks.

You should not distribute Holy Communion until you have been properly trained!

 

[felsguy]

What about a man wearing a hat?

I once got upset at seeing a young man wear a ball cap all during Mass…only to discover later that he was undergoing chemotherapy and was embarassed that his hair was falling out.

 

[martininthefiel]

I once got upset at seeing a young man wear a ball cap all during Mass…only to discover later that he was undergoing chemotherapy and was embarassed that his hair was falling out.

There is a special dispensation for that. My grandmother apparently didn’t consider all contingencies.

We need always to be charitable in our judgments of others. Be conservative about yourself, and liberal about everybody else–you can’t go wrong that way.:irish2::irish2::irish3::takeoff::hey_bud:

 

[SMHW]

OP, you just might not be seeing people bow their heads because they do it just before they get to the front of the line. This is very common in my parish.

This article explains it. ewtn.com/library/liturgy/zlitur101.htm

Yes. At my parish this is when we were instructed to bow so the the line of people moves efficiently. The EM or EMHC would probably be able to see a communicant bow in the background of his vision but would presumably have his attention focused on the person who was currently receiving.

 

[Ohana]

Doesn’t look optional to me either - consider Who we are looking at and about to receive! I do see that sometimes there is a gap in the line, then one has to hurry up - has happened to me at times because I am slow. In those cases, I try to bow, but if it is going to hold up the line I just nod my head. I prefer a slight bow while standing behind the person ahead of me.

 

[dochawk]

Mrs Sally;8783358:

Actually, they can’t. Only a bishop or priest is a Eucharistic Minister, as only they can confect the Eucharist. A deacon is an Ordinary Minister of Holy Communion.

Only in the west

In the east, deacons aren’t supposed to distribute communion unless there are two many recipients.

In practice, this is followed just as closely as the western rule on extraordinary ministers

What about a man wearing a hat?

If a gentleman is sporting a hat inside a church, he is either,

1. a priest wearing a biretta,
2. a bishop or crowned priest in a mitre or crown, or
3. a Knight of Columbus in regalia.

The first two would not be receiving Communion from the layman, while the latter would be holding his chapeau to his chest while receiving on the tongue, and bypassing the Cup as he only has one hand free . . .

(a couple of years ago I requested an honor guard for my bishop’s visit to my parish. After checking with the bishop, I directed the sword salute during the Anaphora (consecration). My 18 year old son in law was fine, but I forgot to warn poor 60+ Joe about our Anaphora being so much longer )

 

[anp1215]

I once got upset at seeing a young man wear a ball cap all during Mass…only to discover later that he was undergoing chemotherapy and was embarassed that his hair was falling out.

Thank you so much for sharing it as it is a very meaningful reminder that we should always assume the best of other people when we don’t know all the facts.

 

[promethius]

If a gentleman is sporting a hat inside a church, he is either,

1. a priest wearing a biretta,
2. a bishop or crowned priest in a mitre or crown, or
3. -]a Knight of Columbus in regalia/-].

1. Any man who is carrying any sort of weapon.

This is why the knights do this: traditional decorum demands that any man at arms wear a cover of some sort. To do otherwise would be disrespectful.

 

[SKWill]

If a gentleman is sporting a hat inside a church, he is either,

1. a priest wearing a biretta,
2. a bishop or crowned priest in a mitre or crown, or
3. a Knight of Columbus in regalia.

The first two would not be receiving Communion from the layman, while the latter would be holding his chapeau to his chest while receiving on the tongue, and bypassing the Cup as he only has one hand free . . .

(a couple of years ago I requested an honor guard for my bishop’s visit to my parish. After checking with the bishop, I directed the sword salute during the Anaphora (consecration). My 18 year old son in law was fine, but I forgot to warn poor 60+ Joe about our Anaphora being so much longer )

You and your Color Corps Commander may want to check review the drill manual (current version revised in 2008). 4th Degree members in regalia are supposed to leave their chapeaux and gloves in the pews when going forward to receive communion. And there is to be no sword salute or chapeau salute during the consecration. (I say this in a public message rather than in a direct message to you because it is my belief that the reason some priests don’t allow KC honor guards during masses those priests mistakenly believe we still do a salute during the consecration.)

 

[puzzleannie]

I distribute the chalice sometimes in our parish and it bugs me to no end how irreverant people are. Most people do not make the required bow of reverence. Since the bow is required for those who wish to recieve while standing, .

no it is not universally required. A sign of reverence is required, but in many places including here we have been instructed to that before approaching the minister, and it need not be a bow, having already been kneeling in the pew before coming forward. If the minister is not a priest he cannot refuse communion unless someone clearly does not know what they are doing.

 

[ConstantineTG]

Exactly. Another point has occurred to me. We are supposed to say ‘Amen’ before receiving, but occasionally someone doesn’t do so before receiving from the chalice. Should EMHCs object? No, because judging from my own experience as a normal communicant. sometimes there isn’t enough time to swallow the Host in between the two events.

So, in other words, there are rules, but commonsense and a willingness to ascribe good motives to other people must prevail.

A priest I know will wait for the communicant to say Amen without dismissing the communicant. If it becomes obvious the communicant does not know what to do, they are asked if they are Catholic. Another priest would say “Amen” to remind the communicant to say Amen.

 

[dochawk]

1. Any man who is carrying any sort of weapon.

This is why the knights do this: traditional decorum demands that any man at arms wear a cover of some sort. To do otherwise would be disrespectful.

Indeed. I thought of making the broader statement, but couldn’t think of another reason for a man to be armed in Church!

You and your Color Corps Commander may want to check review the drill manual (current version revised in 2008). 4th Degree members in regalia are supposed to leave their chapeaux and gloves in the pews when going forward to receive communion.

I’ll check next time I see them. It’s been a couple of years since I’ve fallen out for anything.

And there is to be no sword salute or chapeau salute during the consecration. (I say this in a public message rather than in a direct message to you because it is my belief that the reason some priests don’t allow KC honor guards during masses those priests mistakenly believe we still do a salute during the consecration.)

We have priests who don’t want the swords at all, but I’ve never heard of that complaint. They tend to demand that we come, but without swords.

And given a bishop’s direction or request on the one hand, and the manual on the other, I’ll go with the bishop every time–especially my own bishop! (both the local RC bishop and my own are very strong KofC supporters . . .)

hawk