No the Catholic Church is not the Whore of Babylon.... but it is the BEAST!

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I usually like to have fun when some one says that. “Yes it is, so what? And yes we worship Mary and images and do vain repetitions with the rosary and have all bunch of Hell bound traditions!” OOps just forgot that Hell is for non-Catholics only! :whacky:
 
guys, guys, let us dig deeper, if the catholic church is the beast:

1.- Jesus is not the Son of God because he lied (Matt. 16:18 (I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it),

2.- ALL christianity is a lie because the gates of hell prevail and Jesus had to come to someone dream or give some gold tablets to another guy to build a new church because He fail with the catholic church.

3.- the bible is wrong.

so why not someone go ask them here is the link you guys gave us:
angelfire.com/rant/watchman2001/Beast.html

IF THEY CAN PROVE IT WITHAUT A DOUBT THAT THEY ARE THE TRUE CHURCH THEN I AM MR. SPOCK.

“live long and prosper”
 
Haha and there is no Hell either and there is no HEAVEN wahaha…it all ends at death…:whacky:

lol
miguel delgado:
guys, guys, let us dig deeper, if the catholic church is the beast:

1.- Jesus is not the Son of God because he lied (Matt. 16:18 (I will build my Church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it),

2.- ALL christianity is a lie because the gates of hell prevail and Jesus had to come to someone dream or give some gold tablets to another guy to build a new church because He fail with the catholic church.

3.- the bible is wrong.

so why not someone go ask them here is the link you guys gave us:
angelfire.com/rant/watchman2001/Beast.html

IF THEY CAN PROVE IT WITHAUT A DOUBT THAT THEY ARE THE TRUE CHURCH THEN I AM MR. SPOCK.

“live long and prosper”
 
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Sirach14:
Is America the Beast?
depends on who you ask. Im sure that bin Laden and al Zarqawi would answer that question in the affirmative, as would some of the over the edge christian fundamentalists.
 
This is a bunch of bull garbage!!! :mad: Why even read something like this? If people are going to point out this “garbage”, that will make non-Catholics say, “See, we told you!”:banghead:
 
Hi Paris,
I’m not sure I’m understanding you correctly. Are you saying that since I am trying to find a way to refute these false accusations, you think it will actually make the anti-Catholics think I have proven them right?

Also, you ask “Why even read something like this?” Well, I read it so I can refute it. That’s why I joined these forums to begin with. I don’t just visit the CA forums for my own personal knowledge. I am here so i can learn how to defend the faith, and then I plan on putting what I learn into action.
 
http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon13.gif No the Catholic Church is not the Whore of Babylon… but it is the BEAST!
I looked at the various tracts on Catholic Answer’s home page that deal with the accusations against the Church in regards to Revelation. The tracts mainly deal with refuting the claim that the Church is the Whore of Babylon, but don’t say anything about the Beast. I’m looking for refutations for the specific claims quoted below.

Richspindizzy wrote the above. It is a fact that “Richspin” has said he was a non Catholic ( a Evangelical ). The first question that pops up is : Why would a Evangelical come to a Catholic site and attempt to assert that the Catholic Church is “Not the Whore of Babylon but the Beast”? Why would a nonCatholic do that?

I can think of two reasons why he would do that. And one of them is very uncharitable. The other is simply a selfish motive. So both reasons fail to meet the Christian Test!
 
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RichSpidizzy:
Hi Paris,
I’m not sure I’m understanding you correctly. Are you saying that since I am trying to find a way to refute these false accusations, you think it will actually make the anti-Catholics think I have proven them right?

Also, you ask “Why even read something like this?” Well, I read it so I can refute it. That’s why I joined these forums to begin with. I don’t just visit the CA forums for my own personal knowledge. I am here so i can learn how to defend the faith, and then I plan on putting what I learn into action.
Well, in a way, yes, because I’ve been BOMBARDED by these non-Catholics in this group (and I finally had to leave!) because they tell me this and that and all these lies plus have given me sitings on websites about what the truth is (to THEM that is!) and all this garbage! Not that I’m saying you shouldn’t read it or anything, I was just saying, don’t read this kinda garbage when we KNOW what the truth is out there!😛 Sorry, if I sounded like I was saying don’t at all, I should’ve re-worded it better!😦
 
The beast the book of Revelation was referring to was one of the Roman emperors, probably Caligula, whose presecution of the Church was particularly vicious.

Historically speaking, the Church could not be the beast because it was the victim not the aggressor in the book of Revelation. How can the victim be the one persecuting itself? It can’t.

People who use the Bible, the Church’s book, to try to “prove” this or that are simply ignorant and biased. They aren’t worth our time and effort. But those who are confused or want to know the truth certainly are worth it. Those are the folks we are trying to help on this board. They may not become Catholic, but if they at least come away with their misconceptions corrected, that is quite a lot to be thankful for. Yes?
 
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Della:
The beast of Revelation was referring to was one of the Roman emperors, probably Caligula, whose presecution of the Church was particularly vicious.

Historically speaking, the Church could not be the beast because it was the victim not the aggressor in the book of Revelation. How can the victim be the one persecuting itself? It can’t.

People who use the Bible, the Church’s book, to try to “prove” this or that are simply ignorant and biased. They aren’t worth our time and effort. But those who are confused or want to know the truth certainly are worth it. Those are the folks we are trying to help on this board. They may not become Catholic, but if they at least come away with their misconceptions corrected, that is quite a lot to be thankful for. Yes?
I believe the most acceptable Emperor for the title of Beast was Caesar Nero.
 
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Scott_Lafrance:
I believe the most acceptable Emperor for the title of Beast was Caesar Nero.
Yes, he’s a better candidate. Both of them were cruel tyrants who were quite literally mad. You’re right, Caligula was a bit early to be the beast of Revelation.
 
Are we talking about the beast with ten heads and seven crowns…or whatever?

Look at the Herod Dynasty. (I’ve been reading “Hail, holy Queen” by Scott hahn) I will have to go back and read that chapter and get back with what that book says
 
The general Catholic interpretation is to understand that inspired writers wrote for the people of their own day, and often about the events of their times. The word “Prophet” means “One who speaks for another,” not necessarily “one who predicts the future.”

From the New American Bible for Catholics, Revelation 13,18

18 8 Wisdom is needed here; one who understands can calculate the number of the beast, for it is a number that stands for a person. His number is six hundred and sixty-six.

Note that John specifically says the beast is a person. A lot of biblical scholarship has been expended on finding out who that person was. The footnote (8) says:

8 [18] Each of the letters of the alphabet in Hebrew as well as in Greek has a numerical value. Many possible combinations of letters will add up to 666, and many candidates have been nominated for this infamous number. The most likely is the emperor Caesar Nero (see the note on Rev 13:3), the Greek form of whose name in Hebrew letters gives the required sum. (The Latin form of this name equals 616, which is the reading of a few manuscripts.) Nero personifies the emperors who viciously persecuted the church. It has also been observed that “6” represents imperfection, falling short of the perfect number “7,” and is represented here in a triple or superlative form.

Footnote (8) refers to footnote (3) which says:

3 [3] This may be a reference to the popular legend that Nero would come back to life and rule again after his death (which occurred in A.D. 68 from a self-inflicted stab wound in the throat); cf Rev 13:14; Rev 17:8. Domitian (A.D. 81-96) embodied all the cruelty and impiety of Nero. Cf Introduction.
 
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Gracie2004:
…and of course there are threads that deal with their ‘fact’ that the Church is the whore…and that the next pope will be the anti-christ according to malachi …

Gracie 🙂
Ask 'em why they take seriously what some deluded, idol-worshipping Catholic visionary like Malachi says.
 
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