Noah/Flood: Best proof? Do you believe the Biblical story?

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Dear friends at Catholic.com, I come to you once again because I am in a “debate” with an unbeliever (son-in-law), and know that I can speed up the search for info (I’m short on time–once again). Our family was discussing the new movie, “Noah”, and I told them about the article I had read which says it deviates from the Biblical account, so I don’t want to vote with my money.

His reply was:
“noah is a biblical story that changed as it was passed down in generations. if you dont want to see it then thats ur choice. i know u only want to see biblically accurate stories told. i want to see proof of Noah’s ark found somewhere to be honest with you”
  1. What, if anything, is the best scientific proof? I’m somewhat aware of Ballard’s Black Sea expedition, but don’t have time to wade through all the articles.
  2. Just to satisfy my curiosity, do you believe the Biblical account of Noah and the flood? I’d appreciate it (if you don’t mind, of course) if you would state your religion (and denomination, if Christian).
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1 ) there is so much real proof for Noah and God’s safeguarding of those who do listen; for example, over 400 cultures ( over 1/2 of 'em no contact with each other no contact 'till recently ) have a worldwide flood, a man by the name of noah, a few people and creatures as their theme in common. noah’s ark probably has been found and has been sighted by hundreds of reliable witnesses in record. young hydro-plate theory,

1 ) there is much evidence some e.g. over 400 cultures ( over 1/2 of 'em no contact 'till recently. ) all them have as a common theme; global flood, noah and family, and the saving of creatures. also, there is plate tectonics, the crack in the ocean from the pacific deep to Israel, hydro-plate theory, tectonic mechanisms, Problematica, Turbidity Currents, Polystrate Fossils ( trees fossilized while growing. ) , Cyclothems, etc … 👍

2 ) am a Catholic who suspects that semi-creationism is most likely true.

God bless
 
Larry1700 said:
Thanks for the link to the article. I’m not sure that I agree with some of the author’s statements, but it’s good to read a different perspective.

As for not being able to see any movies because of my desire for Biblical accuracy, what I desire is for the producers, etc. to be motivated to tell the Scriptural story, as intended by the Bible’s Author (God), and those through whom He wrote. I realize that there will be unintended inaccuracies, editing for time, fillers for flavor, etc. Cecile B. Demille and others did all that. In “The Ten Commandments,” for instance, Moses spoke to Pharaoh, when in fact the Bible says it was Aaron.

However, I don’t want to pay money to see a “Biblically themed” movie which is intentionally used for some politically-correct indoctrination about overpopulation, global warming/climate change, etc. Maybe this movie does, maybe it doesn’t. From what I’ve read so far, I’m reluctant to pay to see it. I still might, primarily to be on good terms with my son-in-law (and to prevent him from using my refusal to see “Noah” as an excuse to avoid seeing “Son of God.”)
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I watched the previews and it did look good. I don’t like the aspect of putting todays political agenda propaganda into it. I didn’t 't like it when they did it in the TV production of the Bible which is what the “Son of God” is edited from.
 
The Israelis adopted the Epic of Gilgamesh in some detail and inserted it in their bible There is NO (I’ve done quite a bit of digging) evidence for a world-wide flood, However, there is considerable evidence for monstrous local or regional floods. These could easily have been interpreted by early people as world-wide, but in reality they simply are not…
I agree with the earlier poster who said he would basically expect better accuracy from documents that were inspired by the Holy Spirit. There should only be minor and easily explained differences. Unfortunately, the four Gospels are perhaps the worst example. They vary a great deal…so much so that many have published accounts of the differences. This is just one: catholic-resources.org/Bible/Four_Gospel_Chart.htm
The point again being that one could expect better accuracy when the books were said to be inspired by the Holy Spirit.
 
Larry1700 said:
Dear friends at Catholic.com, I come to you once again because I am in a “debate” with an unbeliever (son-in-law), and know that I can speed up the search for info (I’m short on time–once again). Our family was discussing the new movie, “Noah”, and I told them about the article I had read which says it deviates from the Biblical account, so I don’t want to vote with my money.

His reply was:
“noah is a biblical story that changed as it was passed down in generations. if you dont want to see it then thats ur choice. i know u only want to see biblically accurate stories told. i want to see proof of Noah’s ark found somewhere to be honest with you”
  1. What, if anything, is the best scientific proof? I’m somewhat aware of Ballard’s Black Sea expedition, but don’t have time to wade through all the articles.
  2. Just to satisfy my curiosity, do you believe the Biblical account of Noah and the flood? I’d appreciate it (if you don’t mind, of course) if you would state your religion (and denomination, if Christian).
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The debate about whether the event happened or not is irrelevant and fighting to prove either case diminishes the religious truth which is far more important than worrying about if the story is factual or not. The spine tingling beauty of this tale is that God never forgets His promises. Think about when this story was written, who it was written for and what religious truth was being conveyed to its audience - and how much assurance they would have felt knowing that whatever trials they went through, they were in the mind and heart of God.

Whatever your position, please don’t let it be at the cost of the beautiful and ancient message in this story.

God Bless 🙂
 
The Israelis adopted the Epic of Gilgamesh in some detail and inserted it in their bible
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I’m going to disagree as this idea has been debunked several times over.
 
DaddyGirl said:
I think there is no solid, proof-giving evidence that this flood and ark really happened–not the way the bible describes it, anyway.
If there was, we’d all believe it.

I don’t believe it happened.
It’s impossible!
It’s physically, scientifically, biologically, spacially, logically, and everything else-ly impossible.

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Just like the Resurrection.
 
Nacho45 said:
I’m going to disagree as this idea has been debunked several times over.
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References?

I haven’t researched it much, but to hear someone say that the Biblical story was taken from the Epic of Gilgamesh because the EofG story was written first is not compelling. As I recall, nobody says the Biblical account was written at the time of the Flood; it was written by Moses. Based on what little I know, what says that the Biblical story and the EofG (and all other accounts by other civilizations) weren’t based on the same event?
 
aragonjohn1 said:
1 ) there is so much real proof for Noah and God’s safeguarding of those who do listen; for example, over 400 cultures ( over 1/2 of 'em no contact with each other no contact 'till recently ) have a worldwide flood, a man by the name of noah, a few people and creatures as their theme in common.
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Since I can’t read all of the other flood accounts, I chose the one from the Caddos, from the region of the country where I live. This story is vastly different from the Biblical account. I don’t know about the others, but if I told my son-in-law about all the other flood stories, I’m sure he would ask me, “Okay, so how do you know the Biblical account is the correct one?”

I have to get back to work now, but later I hope I can find a comprehensive list of the 1/2 of them which talk about Noah, etc.
 
DaddyGirl said:
I think there is no solid, proof-giving evidence that this flood and ark really happened–not the way the bible describes it, anyway.
If there was, we’d all believe it.

I don’t believe it happened.
It’s impossible!
It’s physically, scientifically, biologically, spacially, logically, and everything else-ly impossible.

.
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I totally agree that its impossible by any of those means. But… Is it supernaturally impossible?
 
The story of Noah and the flood is a story about cleansing of sin from the world, re-rdering and re-creation and of salvation. It corresponds to and teaches us about our Baptism. That’s all that matters.

To concentrate on whether the flood actually took place in history is to completely miss the point. My own baptism really happened. I passed through the waters. The dove of the Holy Spirit brought me an olive branch. I was set down on dry land. It all really happened.

-Tim-
 
DaddyGirl said:
I think there is no solid, proof-giving evidence that this flood and ark really happened–not the way the bible describes it, anyway.
If there was, we’d all believe it.

I don’t believe it happened.
It’s impossible!
It’s physically, scientifically, biologically, spacially, logically, and everything else-ly impossible.

.
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So then, it could have happened, as nothing is impossible with God.
 
Larry1700 said:
Since I can’t read all of the other flood accounts, I chose the one from the Caddos, from the region of the country where I live. This story is vastly different from the Biblical account. I don’t know about the others, but if I told my son-in-law about all the other flood stories, I’m sure he would ask me, “Okay, so how do you know the Biblical account is the correct one?”

I have to get back to work now, but later I hope I can find a comprehensive list of the 1/2 of them which talk about Noah, etc.
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👍 k, a written record with less words ( and comparisons )is available at evangelical catholic. :bigyikes:

God bless
 
Larry1700 said:
Dear friends at Catholic.com, I come to you once again because I am in a “debate” with an unbeliever (son-in-law), and know that I can speed up the search for info (I’m short on time–once again). Our family was discussing the new movie, “Noah”, and I told them about the article I had read which says it deviates from the Biblical account, so I don’t want to vote with my money.

His reply was:
“noah is a biblical story that changed as it was passed down in generations. if you dont want to see it then thats ur choice. i know u only want to see biblically accurate stories told. i want to see proof of Noah’s ark found somewhere to be honest with you”
  1. What, if anything, is the best scientific proof? I’m somewhat aware of Ballard’s Black Sea expedition, but don’t have time to wade through all the articles.
  2. Just to satisfy my curiosity, do you believe the Biblical account of Noah and the flood? I’d appreciate it (if you don’t mind, of course) if you would state your religion (and denomination, if Christian).
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Dispite the best attempt of Kevin Hanh and other “creation scientists” to scew, misrepresent, or even falsify evidence there is 0 verified evidence to state that there was ever a global flood. In fact there is mounds of evidence to the contrary, some of which arnt even pure scientific data, we have chinese tax records recorded BEFORE the flood supposedly occurred.

Whats more the serious difficulty of repopulating a species from 2 surviving animals, both genetic and in terms of ecosystems (did predetors stop eating until the herbavors repopulated?). Heck they have genetic problems now with the panda population and there are still a few hundred of them.

Lastly, based on the description in biblical texts. Noah’s ark wouldn’t even float, much less when carrying all the animals and (presumably) food for them.

All scientific evidence strongly points against a litteral global flood.
 
Skadi said:
Whats more the serious difficulty of repopulating a species** from 2 surviving animals**, both genetic and in terms of ecosystems (did predetors stop eating until the herbavors repopulated?). Heck they have genetic problems now with the panda population and there are still a few hundred of them.
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I don’t know much about genetics, but according to Genesis 7:2-3, some of the animals came in 7 pairs:
"2 Take with you **seven pairs **of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and one pair of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also **seven pairs **of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth. "

As for your other statements, do you have references/links?
 
Skadi said:
Dispite the best attempt of Kevin Hanh and other “creation scientists” to scew, misrepresent, or even falsify evidence there is 0 verified evidence to state that there was ever a global flood. In fact there is mounds of evidence to the contrary, some of which arnt even pure scientific data, we have chinese tax records recorded BEFORE the flood supposedly occurred.

Whats more the serious difficulty of repopulating a species from 2 surviving animals, both genetic and in terms of ecosystems (did predetors stop eating until the herbavors repopulated?). Heck they have genetic problems now with the panda population and there are still a few hundred of them.

Lastly, based on the description in biblical texts. Noah’s ark wouldn’t even float, much less when carrying all the animals and (presumably) food for them.

All scientific evidence strongly points against a litteral global flood.
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You just made all that stuff up.
 
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