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buffalo
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If they all descended from Noah they could.
Noahic flood interpretation under a non-fundamentalist view
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WingsOfEagles
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Here’s where I might flip flop my opinion a bit. What if everyone except Noah and his offspring died in the flood? Then through oral tradition they passed on a version of the flood despited developing different cultures over time.buffalo:
Those stories aren’t recounting the same event. The Noahic flood couldn’t have been incorporated into other mythologies if all the witnesses were killed.
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buffalo
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I consider your comment a win.
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Mike_from_NJ
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There is a difference between water already on the ground and precipitation. Precipitation is in the atmosphere affecting our ability to breathe. Are you suggesting that the ocean beds were at or close to empty prior to the alleged flood? Also, the amount of water needed to go over the tallest mountains.Mike_from_NJ:
You will not find empirical evidence to support your claim.
We can just skip forward. If one levels the earth right now we will be under 7000 feet of water. In addition, in recent years we found a giant ocean under China. We also now see tremendous amounts of water in the rocks.
It’s a misnomer to state that the water theorized to be under China is an ocean. They are hydrates, so you’d would have to explain how the water embedded in these rocks (assuming the paper on this matter is correct) in such a relatively short time after the flood.
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buffalo
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Yes, that is most likely. The central point is that it is so strongly imbedded in these cultures. It definitely is important to them.
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Atreju
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You linked wiki so I’ll link wiki:
Geology:
“Age: 5–6 million years”
A flood that would cover the entire world would have affected the grand canyon. Same thing goes for literally every other geological formation from the white cliffs of Dover to the Great Barrier Reef.
Genetics:
Usually global flood people say that extreme hyperevolution happened after the flood to account for the billions of species of animals we find today. There’s no evidence that that happened or is even possible.
Geography:
So after the worldwide flood the ark lands in Turkey and then the two kangaroos and all their descendants hippity hop all the way back to Australia, riding like a tree branch across the ocean or something, none of them go anywhere else for some reason. Same thing for every other species found only on America or Australia or any other island or geographically isolated.place. (Yeah maybe not geography exactly but I like the 'G’s.)
The biggest thing is archaeology, though, because global flood advocates usually place the date of the flood smack dab in the middle of the reign of some ancient king who appears to not realize he’s supposed to be dead and continues some well-documented conquest or some such.
Geology:
“Age: 5–6 million years”
A flood that would cover the entire world would have affected the grand canyon. Same thing goes for literally every other geological formation from the white cliffs of Dover to the Great Barrier Reef.
Genetics:
Usually global flood people say that extreme hyperevolution happened after the flood to account for the billions of species of animals we find today. There’s no evidence that that happened or is even possible.
Geography:
So after the worldwide flood the ark lands in Turkey and then the two kangaroos and all their descendants hippity hop all the way back to Australia, riding like a tree branch across the ocean or something, none of them go anywhere else for some reason. Same thing for every other species found only on America or Australia or any other island or geographically isolated.place. (Yeah maybe not geography exactly but I like the 'G’s.)
The biggest thing is archaeology, though, because global flood advocates usually place the date of the flood smack dab in the middle of the reign of some ancient king who appears to not realize he’s supposed to be dead and continues some well-documented conquest or some such.
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buffalo
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Here is where the story detail is important. The fountains of the deep sprang forth. They understood the water did not just come from the atmosphere but was in the earth. This point should not be taken lightly. In a pre-scientific culture, how did they get that information?
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Atreju
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If you consider it “a win” to just make up something based on no evidence then this isn’t going to get anywhere pretty quick.
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Atreju
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Ever hear of a well?
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WingsOfEagles
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No, Christians have a very direct line back to Noah and plenty of evidence of truth through Christ.WingsOfEagles:
…and the exact same thing could’ve happened with the Genesis version.
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humbleseeker
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The Bible is not a science textbook nor should it be viewed as a historical document as we’ve come to understand them in the last 500 years. It illuminates religious and moral truths.
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buffalo
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As a precursor to my following arguments I encourage all to watch this PBS Nova program.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/
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Mike_from_NJ
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Ha! It’s not quite the same thing, but your post reminded me of this Onion article .
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buffalo
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It must have been huge with tremendous pressure and flow rates. The volume alone would erode it to a huge well.
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WingsOfEagles
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There was definitely a historical Noah. That isn’t up for debate.WingsOfEagles:
That assuming 1) there was a historical Noah, 2) there was a historical flood that killed literally everyone, and 3) Noah’s descendants managed to get up into Russia in time to cross the ice bridge, given that’s there are plenty of flood narratives in indigenous American mythologies.
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WingsOfEagles
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You’re on a Catholic forum. This piece is not up for debate.WingsOfEagles:
Um, yes it is.
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buffalo
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It has many genres. Historical narrative is one of them. Biblical archaeology is proving the history parts over and over. The evidence is stronger everyday.
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Mike_from_NJ
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He’s not saying that Catholic teaching allows for there not to be a historical Noah, but here (in the Apologetics forum where all is laid out on the table) there is no definitive proof of a historical Noah.
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buffalo
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Yes, there were a few migrations that happened relatively quickly. We now know that 1/3 or so of Native Americans have European ancestry.
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Atreju
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My point being that people have always known there’s water underground since the first person dug the first well or saw a spring.
As a precursor to my following arguments I encourage all to watch this PBS Nova program.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/
Oh, I used to love watching Nova, and I’m really glad you’re watching it too because it is a great, great show.
For those who haven’t seen the episode, it tells the story of how geologists discovered the origins of the geological formations of the Washington Channeled Scablands:
Turns out it was because of a series of catastrophic floods from lakes formed by glaciers about 15,000 years ago (way before the earth existed).
Now, my question for buffalo is, if geologists can tell that this specific set of geological formations were formed by floods, and can even p(name removed by moderator)oint with a fair degree of accuracy when that happened… why don’t they see that everywhere else on earth?
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