Nobel Prize Winner Is More Than Anti-semitic

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I was shocked when I saw this! :bigyikes: I think our society has truly lost it. Is the Antichrist afoot?

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That’s insane. But while I don’t agree with his BS, it is funny that the question is asked if a person should be able to say racist remarks or have racist opinions. Of course they should. Just like I should be able to speak out against them, and speak out for my religion. You can’t go around telling people what they can and cannot feel or say. At least it shouldn’t be that way.

Also, why do we care so much what he has to say? Just because he did something with DNA does not make him a role model, world leader, or great man!!! Makes him good with DNA. That’s all.
 
I was more shocked to find out that Margaret Sanger was against abortion. I would be against thought policing anti-Semites (hate crimes legislation is just that) or anti-Catholics for that matter. I sure disagree with the sentiment, though. It’s just nice to know who your enemies are.
I don’t think this guy’s the antichrist, but i suspect he may be in the world. Somewhere there’s a Richard Dawkins who is actually charismatic just waiting to lead the world astray.:rolleyes:
 
I am shocked by this…

I think this should be a reason that we should strive towards an egalitarian society to minimize the suffering humans inflict on other humans. Eugenics is dangerous, it is dangerous to have a group of people who think they are better than another group of people. That is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany.
 
ribozyme said:
I am shocked by this…

I think this should be a reason that we should strive towards an egalitarian society to minimize the suffering humans inflict on other humans. Eugenics is dangerous, it is dangerous to have a group of people who think they are better than another group of people. That is exactly what happened in Nazi Germany.
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I dont know why you are shocked. it happens quite often with those who make science their God. Shockley is another prime example of this.
 
estesbob said:
I dont know why you are shocked. it happens quite often with those who make science their God. Shockley is another prime example of this.
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I also know about William Shockley.

Ethicists do not make science their god; science does not delve into questions of morality.
 
ribozyme said:
I also know about William Shockley.

Ethicists do not make science their god; science does not delve into questions of morality.
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Of course it does. When the Scientist destroys an embyo for its stem cells hasnt he made a moral decision? When Teller helped build the Atomic Bomb hadnt he made a moral decision. Actually the norm is that scientist make immoral decisons all the time and try to hide behind their profession to justify them.
 
estesbob said:
Of course it does. When the Scientist destroys an embyo for its stem cells hasnt he made a moral decision? When Teller helped build the Atomic Bomb hadnt he made a moral decision. Actually the norm is that scientist make immoral decisons all the time and try to hide behind their profession to justify them.
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No, they do not make immoral decisions all the time…

Well, I guess Gerald Joyce has to confess about 80 mortal sins :eek: since you think scientists make a lot of immoral decisions because of their profession…
 
ribozyme said:
No, they do not make immoral decisions all the time…

Well, I guess Gerald Joyce has to confess about 80 mortal sins :eek: since you think scientists make a lot of immoral decisions because of their profession…
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You said:
science does not delve into questions of morality
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Now you say:
No, they do not make immoral decisions all the time…
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Which is it?

Your link was irelevant to the topic. IU guess you put it there to impress me with the highbrow(in you opinion) webs you visit. Since i am not nearly as enamored with academics and scientists as you are I was not impressed.
 
estesbob said:
Now you say:
No, they do not make immoral decisions all the time…
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I only said that while I was replying to this:
Actually the norm is that scientist make immoral decisons all the time and try to hide behind their profession to justify them.
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For some fun, click on that picture in my signature, and point out all the immoral actions that the Bartel group committed while doing their research. If you are able to do that, then I will say you have supported your statement about scientists periodically make a pleathora of immoral decisions.
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ribozyme said:
I only said that while I was replying to this:

For some fun, click on that picture in my signature, and point out all the immoral actions that the Bartel group committed while doing their research. If you are able to do that, then I will say you have supported your statement about scientists periodically make a pleathora of immoral decisions.
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No thanks-as i said i am not anywhere near as enamored with Scientists as you are., So you agree now that your statement that Scientists do not delve into questions of Morality was incorrect?
 
I actually saw him at an event through my husband’s work, a large biotech co. here in SF., and he was treated like a rock star. Too bad for Rosalind Franklin, a fellow scientist whose X-ray of the DNA structure led to Watson’s breakthrough, who wasn’t given proper recognition and now can’t share in his glory.

It’s a shame to me how his comments are turned a blind eye by science and academia, but scientists who through research find results that go against the preconceived ideas in the scientific community are demonized, can’t find funding, and aren’t published in peer-reviewed journals.
 
estesbob said:
No thanks-as i said i am not anywhere near as enamored with Scientists as you are., So you agree now that your statement that Scientists do not delve into questions of Morality was incorrect?
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No, when I usually read scientific papers, there is no discussion of morality anywhere in the papers.
 
ribozyme said:
No, when I usually read scientific papers, there is no discussion of morality anywhere in the papers.
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So correct me if I am wrong, but you are saying scientists are completely removed from making moral judgements in their work, yes?
 
estesbob said:
Do you find that somethng to admire?
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No, I do not. I am stating that scientists do not engage in the inquiry of the nature of morality; however, some philosophers such as Peter Singer attempt to do that.
 
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