Nobody Knows: The Untold Story of Black Mormons

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Twopekinguys,

There are temples either already operating or in a planning or construction phase in all of those places excluding Kenya, which means there are enough active members including Melchizedek Priesthood and leaders to warrant building a temple.

One who wants to know where Latter-day Saint temples are located can look at:

lds.org/church/temples/find-a-temple?lang=eng

That provides a list.
Just because there is a temple there, doesn’t mean there are people going. Nigeria is a perfect example of this.

If I remember correctly, I read that some temples were shortening their hours of operation due to low attendance. I’m still looking for that one, but I believe the one in Chicago was one of them.
 
Just because there is a temple there, doesn’t mean there are people going. Nigeria is a perfect example of this.

If I remember correctly, I read that some temples were shortening their hours of operation due to low attendance. I’m still looking for that one, but I believe the one in Chicago was one of them.
I think the principle is, “If we build it they will come.”
 
Twopekinguys,

There are temples either already operating or in a planning or construction phase in all of those places excluding Kenya, which means there are enough active members including Melchizedek Priesthood and leaders to warrant building a temple.

One who wants to know where Latter-day Saint temples are located can look at:

lds.org/church/temples/find-a-temple?lang=eng

That provides a list.
So, from your explanations it would seem that blacks can hold all of those positions in areas that have a predominately black population. What about here in the US, or in predominately white countries or areas that also have a large black population? Are there any black leaders there? Also, have there been any black apostles anywhere in church history since the ban was lifted?
 
Andrewstx,

Yes, when the change came about in 1978 it was for all standing offices in both priesthoods, and for all temple blessings including officiating in the temples.

I would guess that the biggest impacts have been in the countries of Ghana, Nigeria, Kenya, the Congo nations, Dominican Republic, Honduras, and Brazil, with many bishops and other leaders and many thriving congregations in those and many other countries.
Am I correct to think that bishops are Aaronic priesthood holders only?
 
So, from your explanations it would seem that blacks can hold all of those positions in areas that have a predominately black population. What about here in the US, or in predominately white countries or areas that also have a large black population? Are there any black leaders there? Also, have there been any black apostles anywhere in church history since the ban was lifted?
Telstar,

It becomes a matter of what is the inspiration of the Holy Ghost for specific callings and ordinations at specific points in time. I have no doubt that there are Latter-day Saint bishops serving as such in the United States who are black.

The prophecies in the Old Testament speak of the tribe of Ephraim being the leading leadership tribe of Israel in the house of Israel among the descendants of Abraham during the latter days on the earth, but there is a Seventy from black Africa, which is a General Authority position.
 
Am I correct to think that bishops are Aaronic priesthood holders only?
Andrewstx,

Latter-day Saint bishops are ordained high priests in the Melchizedek priesthood, but do indeed serve as the president of the Aaronic priesthood in their ward, which is important since the communion ordinance is an Aaronic priesthood ordinance usually officiated by the Young Men of the ward, but with the Bishop presiding over that ordinance each week.

They are also the presiding high priest in the Melchizedek priesthood in their ward, so they preside as the leader of their ward priesthood executive committee, which has Elders quorum leadership and High Priest leadership attending to counsel together with the bishopric about the welfare and well-being of the members of the ward. (These leaders all serve as lay leadership, as you may already know.)
 
I, as most LDS would be, am fully aware that there were black/Afro-A,erican members from the start. They were always permitted to be baptised and enjoy communion and membership with the church. What’s the big deal?
When did it start that they were denied entrance into the temple or to be ordained to the Mormon priesthood.

I know all that was opened up in 1978, but prior to that, they could not be “sealed” or have any of the “blessing of temple worship”

They were barred from the priesthood and the temple through out most of LDS history.

I am struck by the title of the doctumantary, “Nobody Knows:—”

It seems to be hinting at Fawn Brodie’s biography of Joseph Smith. “Nobody Knows My History”

She was the neice of President David O McKay and was given full access to the church’s achieves. Something most historians were not allowed.

Her book did a lot to take away the myth/legend that had been built up around Joseph Smith, and got to the more accurate and historical picture of the real man.

I highly recommend.
Former Mormon here.
I understand the doctrine of both.

Catholic church has never claimed that women dont hold the priesthood because of the “curse of Cain.” Nor have women been denied anything that in Catholic dogma, is fundamental to salvation, according again to dogma.

Blacks, according to Mormon theology, are recipients of the “curse of Cain”. So they were denied access to the temple rites, which according to Mormon theology, is fundamental to salvation.
everystudent.com/features/truth.html

Is the Bible credible? Isn’t it just a European book that has little to do with our people?

The answer to the questions are, “Yes, the Bible is credible,” and “No, it isn’t a European book that has nothing to do with our people.” Black people are referred to and appear on the stage of biblical history many times. Several works have been done to chronicle these instances.1 One notable biblical character was Zipporah, Moses’ Midianite wife. This means that Zipporah’s father, Jethro, was also black.2 In the New Testament, there are several characters whom scholars believe were likely black due to the location of their home cities. The most undeniable instance was Lucius’ comrade in Antioch, Simeon, who was called Niger. Niger simply means “black.” African nations and African people are quite prominent in biblical times. To say that the Bible is the white man’s holy book or to suggest that it is European in origin or nature, is simply not taking into account the facts.

Isn’t Christianity a late arrival in Africa? Isn’t it a foreign religion to Africa and Africans?

In his book, The Early Church in Africa, Dr. John Mbiti outlines the fact that the message of Jesus penetrated Africa before it ever reached Europe. “Christianity in Africa is so old that it can be rightly described as an indigenous, traditional and African religion,” says Dr. Mbiti.3 The conversion of the Ethiopian eunuch described in the Book of Acts predates the apostle Paul’s first missionary journey into Europe by a number of years. There is clear, historical documentation of the church in Africa by the third century. Christianity was the dominant religion in North Africa and most notably Egypt.

Egyptian and North African scholars such as Clement, Origen, Tertullian, and Athanasius are widely recognized as fathers of the church. By the year 300, Egypt had more than a million Christians. In the sixth century, Christianity spread to the Nubian Kingdoms, soon becoming the dominant religion. The Christian Nubian Kingdoms survived for 700 years, resisting attempted domination by Muslim conquerors for 600 of those years.

The Egyptian Coptic Church in the Sudan and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church still exist today. Though persecuted, their presence is testimony to the historicity of Christianity in Africa.4 There is growing evidence that the long-standing presence of Christianity in the Nile Valley and in present-day Ethiopia provided a base for the introduction of Christianity in Southern and Western Africa. In summary, the assertion that Christianity is the “white man’s religion” is neither historically accurate nor currently true. The first African Christians were not American slaves. The Christian heritage in Africa goes all the way back to the days of the Bible itself.

And guess what Church they were part of? Can we all say Catholic? Amen :signofcross:
 
Former Mormon here.
I understand the doctrine of both.

Catholic church has never claimed that women dont hold the priesthood because of the “curse of Cain.” Nor have women been denied anything that in Catholic dogma, is fundamental to salvation, according again to dogma.

Blacks, according to Mormon theology, are recipients of the “curse of Cain”. So they were denied access to the temple rites, which according to Mormon theology, is fundamental to salvation.
Exactly!

I’m a former Mormon too, and the LDS priesthood ban against Blacks is no way near comparable to the Catholic practice of ordaining only men since the reasoning is different.

The LDS reasoning behind the ban is disgusting and inherently racist, while the Catholic one is (as far as I can tell) one of prudence and tradition.

Ask a Catholic why women can’t be priests and she’ll say “Because Jesus didn’t ordain any women, and as Jesus is the author of all the Sacraments we are not at liberty to change them.”

Ask a Mormon (even as late as 1995, the furthest back my young 25 year old self can remember) why blacks used to be denied the priesthood, and you were told that it’s because:
  • they weren’t as valiant in the pre-existence in accepting Jesus over Satan,
  • they are the decedents of Cain and/or Ham, who did some unspeakably horrible thing (murder his brother, and “uncover the nakedness of his father”, respectively).
I’d say the Catholic position would be comparable to the Mormon if we were going around saying that the reason why women can’t be priests is because Eve was a whore who instigated the Fall.
 
I’d say the Catholic position would be comparable to the Mormon if we were going around saying that the reason why women can’t be priests is because Eve was a whore who instigated the Fall.
Many conservative Protestants use this reason to deny women leadership positions in their churches.
 
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