Nocturnal Emissions, Menses, and the Abstaining from Communion

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What do the Eastern Catholic Churches teach about men abstaining from Communion after having a nocturnal emission the night before and women who currently have their period?

I know what the Eastern/Oriental Orthodox teaching about this is. What do the different Eastern Catholic Churches teach regarding this?

Please share any information you might have. 🙂
 
What do the Eastern Catholic Churches teach about men abstaining from Communion after having a nocturnal emission the night before and women who currently have their period?

I know what the Eastern/Oriental Orthodox teaching about this is. What do the different Eastern Catholic Churches teach regarding this?

Please share any information you might have. 🙂
How on earth can this information be of spiritual value. First men have no control over nocturnal emissions and nor do women have control over having a period. These are simply biological functions which are not states of sin. Preparation for reception communion involves much more than considering biological reality of which we have no control. It is how we exercise our free will that is important.
 
How on earth can this information be of spiritual value. First men have no control over nocturnal emissions and nor do women have control over having a period. These are simply biological functions which are not states of sin. Preparation for reception communion involves much more than considering biological reality of which we have no control. It is how we exercise our free will that is important.
They are not considered sin in the Orthodox Church. See: orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/menses.aspx

According to the Canons, though a woman is not in any manner more sinful in her cycle than a man is in the case of involuntary bodily emissions, she, like the man, must avoid Holy Communion at this time. These bodily functions are not sins, but they represent and emphasize the consequences of our fallen states.

I am curious as to how the Eastern Catholic Churches consider this.
 
“According to the Canons, though a woman is not in any manner more sinful in her cycle than a man is in the case of involuntary bodily emissions, she, like the man, must avoid Holy Communion at this time.”

At what time??? I know that menstruation happens at certain times of the month but nocturnal emissions can happen at any time. How long are you supposed to wait after having a nocturnal emission or menstruating before receiving communion? A week? two weeks? :confused:
 
“According to the Canons, though a woman is not in any manner more sinful in her cycle than a man is in the case of involuntary bodily emissions, she, like the man, must avoid Holy Communion at this time.”

At what time??? I know that menstruation happens at certain times of the month but nocturnal emissions can happen at any time. How long are you supposed to wait after having a nocturnal emission or menstruating before receiving communion? A week? two weeks? :confused:
It means that if you have a nocturnal emission at night, you cannot receive the next day.
 
Whoa! Let’s hear a cheer for menopause - male as well as female!
 
They are not considered sin in the Orthodox Church. See: orthodoxinfo.com/praxis/menses.aspx
According to the Canons, though a woman is not in any manner more sinful in her cycle than a man is in the case of involuntary bodily emissions, she, like the man, must avoid Holy Communion at this time. These bodily functions are not sins, but they represent and emphasize the consequences of our fallen states.I am curious as to how the Eastern Catholic Churches consider this.
I do not see any link to the canons on this page. I would like to read the canons. Can you send me a link to the canon that speaks of this?
 
I do not see any link to the canons on this page. I would like to read the canons. Can you send me a link to the canon that speaks of this?
Several Eastern Canons treat this issue.

Canon 4 of St. Dionysius the Alexandrian states that it should be left to one’s conscience.

Canon 12 of St. Timothy of Alexandria states that one should abstain from communion if he had a nocturnal emission brought on by lustful thoughts, but that he should not abstain from communion if it did not occur because of lustful thoughts.

Canon 6 of St. John the Faster recommends that one who has had a nocturnal emission should abstain from communion for one day, chant the fiftieth (51st) psalm, and perform forty nine full prostrations.

The aforementioned canons can be found in [the rudder](the rudder), compiled by St. Nikodemos of the Holy Mountain.
 
For a point of comparison, St. Thomas recommends abstaining from communion after a nocturnal emission, although he distinguishes between abstaining out of necessity (which is due only to mortal sin) and propriety.

newadvent.org/summa/4080.htm#article7
 
As an Eastern Orthodox Christian I not only knew about this but followed the rule, going to church to pray only and did not commune if I had an emission the night before. I instructed my wife not to even to enter the church if she was on her period as the sacrifice was to be a ‘bloodless’ sacrifice, and several other such like things.

Now that this question has come up, and I am now a Marcionite Christian, it occurs to me that since these bodily functions are natural and are not therefore sins, yet they are said to make one nevertheless ‘unclean’, can it not be derived from this matter that God (i.e. the Creator) is the one who made the person unclean! I’m sure no one here is going to answer ‘yes’ to this question so I will answer my own question and say ‘yes’ to it!

Just my :twocents:'s worth!
 
As an Eastern Orthodox Christian I not only knew about this but followed the rule, going to church to pray only and did not commune if I had an emission the night before. I instructed my wife not to even to enter the church if she was on her period as the sacrifice was to be a ‘bloodless’ sacrifice, and several other such like things.

Now that this question has come up, and I am now a Marcionite Christian, it occurs to me that since these bodily functions are natural and are not therefore sins, yet they are said to make one nevertheless ‘unclean’, can it not be derived from this matter that God (i.e. the Creator) is the one who made the person unclean! I’m sure no one here is going to answer ‘yes’ to this question so I will answer my own question and say ‘yes’ to it!

Just my :twocents:'s worth!
They show the consequences of our fallen states. Dying does not make one unclean either but it still shows the consequence of our fallen state.
 
As an Eastern Orthodox Christian I not only knew about this but followed the rule, going to church to pray only and did not commune if I had an emission the night before. I instructed my wife not to even to enter the church if she was on her period as the sacrifice was to be a ‘bloodless’ sacrifice, and several other such like things.

Now that this question has come up, and I am now a Marcionite Christian, it occurs to me that since these bodily functions are natural and are not therefore sins, yet they are said to make one nevertheless ‘unclean’, can it not be derived from this matter that God (i.e. the Creator) is the one who made the person unclean! I’m sure no one here is going to answer ‘yes’ to this question so I will answer my own question and say ‘yes’ to it!

Just my :twocents:'s worth!
You are really a Marcionite Christian? That is extremely interesting. Do you have an organized church which you attend? Is there a hierarchy? Are you in communion with any other ecclesial communities?
 
Thank you for your friendly interest!
You are really a Marcionite Christian? That is extremely interesting.
Yes I am! I suppose I will have to concede that what I really am is a “neo”-Marcionite. But I don’t by this mean to imply that I am in any way different than the original Marcionite faith. It’s just that this church ended over a thousand years ago, so of necessity a reconstruction of it would have to be “new”. I have decided to reconstruct the faith and follow it in a very conservative way, that is no modern innovations or silly misconceptions as to what many think they know about this ancient faith.
Do you have an organized church which you attend?
No. But it can be demonstrated that many Catholic practices are actually Marcionite because early Marcionite converts to Catholicism continued many of their traditions as Catholics. This tread touches on some of that. The practice continued, but a Catholic understanding was imputed into it. That’s why abstaining from Communion because of nocturnal emissions doesn’t seem to fit in well with a Catholic understanding of Christianity. It fits much better into a Marcionite understanding.

If there were an old Russian Orthodox Church nearby I would go there to pray. Or a Greek Old Calender Church. A Coptic Orthodox Church would work very well. I would be good about communing there too, as long as the priest knew that I was a heretic and he was ok with that - not likely.
Is there a hierarchy?
No. I believe I know of a way that a ligidament hierarchy could be restored. But there would have to be more people interested in this. Your limited interest in this already exceeds what I have come across in more than a year. It would take an act of god for a Marcionite hierarchy to have a come back. But what can be done, and is being done, is having the original Marcionite scriptures reconstructed out of the quotes from church fathers. Once finished it will be published and translated into Spanish.
Are you in communion with any other ecclesial communities?
No. No bishop means no intercommunion. No communion at all.

I have no issue with the communion of the Roman and Eastern Orthodox Churches. Research indicates that the Marcionite Church did consider the Bread an Wine (Water) to be transformed into the true body of Christ. What’s different in the belief is that the communion becomes the (dead) flesh body of Christ AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR his apparent body. Jesus did not have an actual body of flesh but only appeared to during his ministry. The communion provided the flesh of Christ that Jesus didn’t yet have until the substitute provided it dead on the cross. It became the true dead flesh body of Jesus when Jesus emptied himself and thus also provided what Jesus had unto the one who substituted his flesh in an exchange. This one was there at the foot of the cross (with his family) and witnessed (as well as experienced) the crusifiction. This was the one for whom Jesus died - he was the Christ. Jesus was not the Christ himself, but rather Jesus died for the Christ. This one became the Christ when Jesus emptied himself on the cross. This one - the one who became the Christ - we become one with through the mystery of communion; and thus Jesus died not just for the Christ only, but for us all who are “one in Christ”. That’s also why we are called “Christians”.

The whole practice of Holy Communion in the Catholic Church came from the Marcionite Church. The practise didn’t change very much, only the understanding of what it means changed. - I’m making this assertion because I’m trying to stay on topic. - When Marcionites became Catholics they retained their practices. When Eastern Orthodox became Eastern Catholics they retained some of their practices. All of us try to continue what has been passed down to us because we think it came from an apostle. The tradition survives even though it is passed on to changing theological meanings of what the tradition really means. The Holy Church of Alexandria had to eventually give up the Marcionite practice of castration because no way could be found to impute a Catholic understanding into it. Alexandria was founded by the Apostle “Mark”, this was the Mark that Marcionite came from, by the way. The one called “Marcion of Sinope” was the seventh Pope of Alexandria. Look to Alexandria as the fountainhead of many of these Marcionite practices entering into the Catholic Church.
 
Thank you for your friendly interest!

Yes I am! I suppose I will have to concede that what I really am is a “neo”-Marcionite. But I don’t by this mean to imply that I am in any way different than the original Marcionite faith. It’s just that this church ended over a thousand years ago, so of necessity a reconstruction of it would have to be “new”. I have decided to reconstruct the faith and follow it in a very conservative way, that is no modern innovations or silly misconceptions as to what many think they know about this ancient faith.

No. But it can be demonstrated that many Catholic practices are actually Marcionite because early Marcionite converts to Catholicism continued many of their traditions as Catholics. This tread touches on some of that. The practice continued, but a Catholic understanding was imputed into it. That’s why abstaining from Communion because of nocturnal emissions doesn’t seem to fit in well with a Catholic understanding of Christianity. It fits much better into a Marcionite understanding.

If there were an old Russian Orthodox Church nearby I would go there to pray. Or a Greek Old Calender Church. A Coptic Orthodox Church would work very well. I would be good about communing there too, as long as the priest knew that I was a heretic and he was ok with that - not likely.

No. I believe I know of a way that a ligidament hierarchy could be restored. But there would have to be more people interested in this. Your limited interest in this already exceeds what I have come across in more than a year. It would take an act of god for a Marcionite hierarchy to have a come back. But what can be done, and is being done, is having the original Marcionite scriptures reconstructed out of the quotes from church fathers. Once finished it will be published and translated into Spanish.

No. No bishop means no intercommunion. No communion at all.

I have no issue with the communion of the Roman and Eastern Orthodox Churches. Research indicates that the Marcionite Church did consider the Bread an Wine (Water) to be transformed into the true body of Christ. What’s different in the belief is that the communion becomes the (dead) flesh body of Christ AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR his apparent body. Jesus did not have an actual body of flesh but only appeared to during his ministry. The communion provided the flesh of Christ that Jesus didn’t yet have until the substitute provided it dead on the cross. It became the true dead flesh body of Jesus when Jesus emptied himself and thus also provided what Jesus had unto the one who substituted his flesh in an exchange. This one was there at the foot of the cross (with his family) and witnessed (as well as experienced) the crusifiction. This was the one for whom Jesus died - he was the Christ. Jesus was not the Christ himself, but rather Jesus died for the Christ. This one became the Christ when Jesus emptied himself on the cross. This one - the one who became the Christ - we become one with through the mystery of communion; and thus Jesus died not just for the Christ only, but for us all who are “one in Christ”. That’s also why we are called “Christians”.

The whole practice of Holy Communion in the Catholic Church came from the Marcionite Church. The practise didn’t change very much, only the understanding of what it means changed. - I’m making this assertion because I’m trying to stay on topic. - When Marcionites became Catholics they retained their practices. When Eastern Orthodox became Eastern Catholics they retained some of their practices. All of us try to continue what has been passed down to us because we think it came from an apostle. The tradition survives even though it is passed on to changing theological meanings of what the tradition really means. The Holy Church of Alexandria had to eventually give up the Marcionite practice of castration because no way could be found to impute a Catholic understanding into it. Alexandria was founded by the Apostle “Mark”, this was the Mark that Marcionite came from, by the way. The one called “Marcion of Sinope” was the seventh Pope of Alexandria. Look to Alexandria as the fountainhead of many of these Marcionite practices entering into the Catholic Church.
I can finally say what I’ve never had the occasion to say in the over half century I have lived on earth: Now I have heard everything. 😃
 
If you’re a really devout jewish woman you have to insert a little white hankie in your vagina every day for 8 days after you stop bleeding, if it comes out clean then you are again able to go to church and have sex with your husband.
 
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