NON-AMERICANS: An Apologetics Question for You

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In the US, a lot of “religious” discussion is driven by the need for Catholics to respond to questions from “Bible Christians” who may or may not be members of mainline Protestant denominations.

Additionally, American Catholics face challenges from atheists, pro-abortion and gay rights groups all of whom are generally supported by an ignorant and/or hostile press.

Where are you from, and who are the groups posting the greatest challenge to Catholicism in your part of the globe?
 
The hugely secular media indoctrinating the public and force-feeding them stories about how horrible the Church is.
 
In the US, a lot of “religious” discussion is driven by the need for Catholics to respond to questions from “Bible Christians” who may or may not be members of mainline Protestant denominations.

Additionally, American Catholics face challenges from atheists, pro-abortion and gay rights groups all of whom are generally supported by an ignorant and/or hostile press.

Where are you from, and who are the groups posting the greatest challenge to Catholicism in your part of the globe?
Not only are we faced with the media, but Protestants, atheists, as you mentioned. But you also have to throw Islam into the mix.
 
In the US, a lot of “religious” discussion is driven by the need for Catholics to respond to questions from “Bible Christians” who may or may not be members of mainline Protestant denominations.

Additionally, American Catholics face challenges from atheists, pro-abortion and gay rights groups all of whom are generally supported by an ignorant and/or hostile press.

Where are you from, and who are the groups posting the greatest challenge to Catholicism in your part of the globe?
New Age among catholics and non catholics and lapsed catholics.
Which the church has said have areas incompatible with the church, cannot be confused with the Holy Spirit, cannot replace the catholic mystical tradition, and are completely unacceptable as spiritual paths,
 
The Catholic Church ought to be prudent and courageous to withhold her stand with the light of Christ against the many facets of ‘threats’ from within and without.
 
Over in the UK, it isn’t massively different except that we have a large group of people who simply do not know anything about Christianity, as well as those who belong to the religion of “I am a good person”. On the latter point, they believe that if there is an afterlife, then being whatever they define as a “good person” is enough.

The first biggest challenge are the people who turn up for mass (whether weekly, rarely or annually) who have no concept of Catholicism beyond attending Church whether is is weekly, annually or for their funeral. They are the ones we lose to the “false preachers”.

I think that the second biggest challenge is the BBC which is funded by the government. It suppresses stories about atrocities against Christians, hides any Protestant clergy abuse cases, rarely reports crimes committed by Muslims or other ethnic groups etc etc.
 
Thanks to those responding to the original poster; very interesting
Mary.
 
From Australia.

That’s an interesting observation about the challenges from “Bible Christians” being more applicable to America than other countries. I’d never thought about it before.

We certainly have such challenges in Australia, but on a much smaller scale. They mostly get their ideas from America.

One advantage you have in America is that people actually care about religion, so there is a discussion. Australia, like Britain, is a largely non-religious culture where people are happy to just “be good” and “live-and-let-live”. Most Catholics drift from the Church soon after school.

The media does give undue prominence to problems in the Catholic Church, while downplaying the crimes other denominations and religions, but it is not too outrageous - we sometimes get good press.
 
I think that the second biggest challenge is the BBC which is funded by the government. It suppresses stories about atrocities against Christians, hides any Protestant clergy abuse cases, rarely reports crimes committed by Muslims or other ethnic groups etc etc.
That’s the impression I’ve got the of BBC also, from over here in Australia. We get lots of BBC documentaries and they can explore the history and geography of Europe, and the world, without ever mentioning “God”. At the most they give a condescending and puzzled mention of peoples’ “faith”.

Of course, all our media has had a good run with our pedophilia scandals, but I don’t think the treatment has been so unfair that we could complain about it.

A home-grown problem we have within the Church is that the our (overly) egalitarian culture has affected much of the clergy. Many of our priests would rather be known as a “good bloke”, who can knock back a beer and have a joke with his mates,rather than be an authority in his parish. I joined the Church from Anglicanism, and in the Anglican church we discussed theology, liturgy, music etc… all the time, and our priests were on top the discussions. When I entered the Catholic Church I thought we would be talking about Aquinas, Palestrina, Newman, Chesterton, etc, and when I brought up such a topic I would get a response like “Did you see the football yesterday?”. It was quite a shock, and I quickly learned to keep my mouth shut! The roots of this are particularly in our Irish Catholic heritage, which has an inverted snobbery (ie. is anti-intellectual, anti-art, anti ruling class).

One thing I greatly admire about America is that religion matters to you. Politicians and public figure frequently invoke “God”, which never happens in Australia. You have serious debates about religion and ethics. I’d rather my children left the Church to become “Bible Christians” than to just leave it for nothing at all. These days, some of our best Church music comes from America.
 
In the US, a lot of “religious” discussion is driven by the need for Catholics to respond to questions from “Bible Christians” who may or may not be members of mainline Protestant denominations.

Additionally, American Catholics face challenges from atheists, pro-abortion and gay rights groups all of whom are generally supported by an ignorant and/or hostile press.

Where are you from, and who are the groups posting the greatest challenge to Catholicism in your part of the globe?
From Borneo part of Malaysia. Greatest challenge is from the government which has decidedly not going to protect Christian minorities from Islamist majority. They are confiscating Bibles in the native language which has the word Allah. It appears that our constitution right to practice your own religion is now being trampled and since the Catholic Church has failed to get their case to the highest court of the land means that the ruling banning non-muslims from using the word Allah in our Bibles stays. Yep, they have copyrighted God. This practice is not even seen in Saudi Arabia where it is common knowledge that Christians have been using this word pre-Islam time.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titular_Roman_Catholic_Archbishop_of_Kuala_Lumpur_v._Menteri_Dalam_Negeri
bbc.com/news/world-asia-25578348
mysinchew.com/node/35966. They have desecrated Jesus. Often times I find it difficult to have a charitable heart to the Muslims although I do have Muslim friends and these are the actions of a few troublemakers.

Please pray for us. By the way, it is illegal to proselyte Muslims. Those who converted are forced to stay beneath the radar.

Out of bad things, good things happen. Christian groups are really united by these incidents. Denominations bad-mouthing other denominations or the RCC are very low key and not oftenly encountered over here. That is why I am quite amazed by the venom spilled against the RCC by non-Catholics in the Western world. Or at least certain websites when I was rather naive about such affairs. You become numb after a while though.
 
I’m from England and I think that the Catholic population is around 7% in my area so we are very much a minority. Overall 60% population claim to be Christian though so that’s something positive. The majority of people here are Church of England Protestants or athiest/agnostic.

At worst I’ve only ever had mild teasing from C of E Protestants. I’ve received the occasional challenge from athiests/agnostics, and I’ve had one Baptist lay preacher quite aggressive towards my Catholicism because of he couldn’t understand my views on Mary and the Eucharist… I worked with him though so he couldn’t really continue with that. I’d say that Jehovah’s Witnesses are probably the most frequent challengers.

There’s quite a large gay community around here so most people (Christians, too) don’t care too much about that issue and rarely challenge them, and vice versa.

Abortion is looked upon as a choice by most people these days, along with the media, so, again, there are rarely any challenges taking place.

I agree with what Avila says about the good person attitude, along with the lapsed attitude to Church attendance. I’m not altogether sure it’s just the BBC regarding the third point… I’ve seen this all over the media, but I’d have to agree with you and Edmundus about the prominence of problems in the Catholic Church.

…on a side note, I’ll also add (complain) that unless you’re a Sky customer, we don’t get EWTN either, which is a great pity… actually we don’t get any Catholic programmes on TV at all for that matter… at least that’s how it seems to me anyway. /rant 🙂
 
From Borneo part of Malaysia.
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Out of bad things, good things happen. Christian groups are really united by these incidents. Denominations bad-mouthing other denominations or the RCC are very low key and not oftenly encountered over here. That is why I am quite amazed by the venom spilled against the RCC by non-Catholics in the Western world. Or at least certain websites when I was rather naive about such affairs. You become numb after a while though.
Thanks eric, all very interesting! I have been praying for Christians persecuted by Islam in the Middle-East. I’ll add Malaysia to my prayers.

That is great that Christians of all denominations are united by this! 👍

I would say that in Australia, overall, there is more cooperation than competition between denominations. This have changed in the last fifty years as we’ve become a minority.
 
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I think that the second biggest challenge is the BBC which is funded by the government. It suppresses stories about atrocities against Christians, hides any Protestant clergy abuse cases, rarely reports crimes committed by Muslims or other ethnic groups etc etc.
I live in the UK. I don’t recognise the portayal of the BBC given by Avila123 or Edmundus1581 at all.

In my view the biggest threats to Catholicism in the UK are Catholics who either don’t actually know Catholic doctrine or are unable or unwilling to defend it. The other big threat to Catholicism are the Church’s leaders who continue to mishandle the abuse crisis and bring the Church into disrepute in the minds of the general population.
 
In the US, a lot of “religious” discussion is driven by the need for Catholics to respond to questions from “Bible Christians” who may or may not be members of mainline Protestant denominations.

Additionally, American Catholics face challenges from atheists, pro-abortion and gay rights groups all of whom are generally supported by an ignorant and/or hostile press.

Where are you from, and who are the groups posting the greatest challenge to Catholicism in your part of the globe?
I am merely one of many that have supported the enlightenment phase of human experience. I am not sure if that is a challenge to your tightly held belief system or not.
 
I find that in Canada, the two biggest apologetics challenges are from:
  1. Secularists, who are usually openly hostile to the faith; and
  2. Fellow Catholics, who are woefully ignorant about their own faith.
 
From Borneo part of Malaysia. Greatest challenge is from the government which has decidedly not going to protect Christian minorities from Islamist majority. They are confiscating Bibles in the native language which has the word Allah. It appears that our constitution right to practice your own religion is now being trampled and since the Catholic Church has failed to get their case to the highest court of the land means that the ruling banning non-muslims from using the word Allah in our Bibles stays. Yep, they have copyrighted God. This practice is not even seen in Saudi Arabia where it is common knowledge that Christians have been using this word pre-Islam time.

Please pray for us. By the way, it is illegal to proselyte Muslims. Those who converted are forced to stay beneath the radar.

Out of bad things, good things happen. Christian groups are really united by these incidents. Denominations bad-mouthing other denominations or the RCC are very low key and not oftenly encountered over here. That is why I am quite amazed by the venom spilled against the RCC by non-Catholics in the Western world. Or at least certain websites when I was rather naive about such affairs. You become numb after a while though.
From the non-Borneo part of Malaysia, where the church is only 1% of the population.

The persecution of the Christian churches continue. Recently, an evangelical church occupying a shoplot in a Muslim majority area, was forced to take down a cross following a demonstration by a group of 50 Muslims.

The truth is that only about 30% of the Malay Muslims (who form 50% of the Malaysian population) are deemed to be nationalists Malay (as opposed of Muslim fundamentalists). But just like ISIS, they have seized the narrative in this country, largely for political reasons, and are now terrorising non-Muslims with particular venom for Christians.

We have
  • been forced to build our churches in industrial areas, away from residential areas
  • had our bibles, hymnals, children CDs etc seized where they contain the word Allah
  • been required to have approval letters from the school to wear crosses within the school premises (oh sorry, that’s in Borneo)
  • had our children induced to convert to Islam by money, undue influence, impregnation by itenerant Romeos
  • had our churches fire-bombed
  • etc etc etc
In all these, though, Christian leaders respond by saying we forgive them. Of course in the meantime, we are redoubling our efforts at spreading awareness of the situation & rights as well as catechism of our people.

Pray that we continue to forgive them in Christian love & our education efforts take root and that the power of love will eventually triumph of the love of power.
 
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