Non-Catholic argument for the purpose of marriage

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I recently wrote an article for a Christian campus ministry’s website called “Do more than vote” in which I discuss abortion and gay marriage. I said that one of the main purposes of marriage is to have children.

A women emailed me back saying that she respectfully disagrees with my statement because infertile people can get married, too. I responded that that’s true, a marriage of two infertile people (a man and a women) is valid because not every instance of sex results in children. Thanks Catholic Forums!

But now I need an argument (probably something biblical since she is a Christian) for why one of marriage’s purposes is to produce children. I cited the Catechism but I’m not sure whether or not she agrees with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Please help!
 
I recently wrote an article for a Christian campus ministry’s website called “Do more than vote” in which I discuss abortion and gay marriage. I said that one of the main purposes of marriage is to have children.

A women emailed me back saying that she respectfully disagrees with my statement because infertile people can get married, too. I responded that that’s true, a marriage of two infertile people (a man and a women) is valid because not every instance of sex results in children. Thanks Catholic Forums!

But now I need an argument (probably something biblical since she is a Christian) for why one of marriage’s purposes is to produce children. I cited the Catechism but I’m not sure whether or not she agrees with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Please help!
“The two shall become one flesh” should be taken both literal and figuratively. Literal in the sense that they will produce children (one flesh from the two), and figuratively in that they are to become one functioning unit.

“Be fruitful and multiply” as commanded by God is another, especially since we see in the Bible that sex outside of marriage is sinful, then the only way we can multiply is to be married. Since sex is only licit within marriage, then it should logically follow that one of the purposes of marriage is to have bear children.

Now, what you would be more hard pressed to do is to then convince them that sex has to be open the idea of children because they’ll likely come at you next with, “Where do you get that sex has to have the possibility to have children? Why can’t me and my husband just have sex to grow closer together as a couple? Isn’t it our choice whether we want children or not?” I could attempt to formulate a reasonable argument for this, but will not do so at this time.
 
I recently wrote an article for a Christian campus ministry’s website called “Do more than vote” in which I discuss abortion and gay marriage. I said that one of the main purposes of marriage is to have children.

A women emailed me back saying that she respectfully disagrees with my statement because infertile people can get married, too. I responded that that’s true, a marriage of two infertile people (a man and a women) is valid because not every instance of sex results in children. Thanks Catholic Forums!

But now I need an argument (probably something biblical since she is a Christian) for why one of marriage’s purposes is to produce children. I cited the Catechism but I’m not sure whether or not she agrees with the teachings of the Catholic Church. Please help!
Oy vey. Canon law recognizes this as so obvious that it is assumed that everyone past the age of puberty is presumed to know it until shown otherwise! Can she find a single instance of marriage in Scriptures in which failure to have children is not considered problematic? Why is there not a single instance of a childless couple in Scriptures in which both parties were fine with that? Because people once knew that the purpose of marriage was children, not mutual gratification!

Can. 1096 §1. For matrimonial consent to exist, the contracting parties must be at least not ignorant that marriage is a permanent partnership between a man and a woman ordered to the procreation of offspring by means of some sexual cooperation.
§2. This ignorance is not presumed after puberty.

From a purely secular standpoint (because, after all, our government is secular):

Business licenses are given out to regulate businesses, whose purpose is to engage in commerce so as to make money. That does not mean that every business engaging in commerce is going to make money. It does mean that the state has an interest in encouraging and regulating those enterprises that do exist for the purpose of employing citizens, producing goods and services, and making money. Society needs businesses to function, and so enterprises that have what the state deems to be the essential qualities needed to engage in commerce can get licenses.

If the state’s interest in regulating and licensing marriage is not children, then pray tell what is there about two (or more) adults living together that is any business of the states? That they take care of each other? Fine! Then give adults licenses for mutual care. But if the enterprises is definitely not going to be about producing children because the very nature of the relationship forbids it, then what is wrong with a) regulating that in recognition that the enterprises is fundamentally different from relationships of the type that are at least theoretically fecund and b) recognizing that whether or not two people of the same sex are having sex could not be more beside the point because it is never ever going to be fecund!

I would point out this societally dangerous trend, too: The pretending of marriage by homosexual couples is prompting them to pretend that their relationship is, in fact, capable of producing children. They do this by resorting to sperm donors and surrogate mothers. In so doing, they are seeing to it that children are conceived by a mother and father who agreed in advance that one biological parent would be excluded from that role for their own child. They are, in fact, conspiring to ensure that the child will be denied an upbringing with both parents…the home is broken before it is formed. Yet the pretense goes so far that in some states birth certificates falsely put a person on a child’s birth certificate whom everyone knows cannot possibly be a biological parent. because the child’s other parent wants to pretend to be in a fecund partnership. These are health department records!

Lies and more lies, and people renting out their bodies so that others can pretend to be something they are not and deny their own children contact with one of their parents in order to get there. Rent your body for pleasure, and that’s wrong. Rent your body in order to give away your child to someone else to raise, and that’s no one’s business but yours. (And please do not tell me that giving it all away for free is on some other different ethical plane, in either case.) That is where this is all going!
 
10 Reasons Why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must be Opposed
By TFP Student Action
**A few of the “ten”…and part of reason…see link for all “ten” and full rationale/argument.
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  1. It Is Not Marriage

Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.
  1. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother
It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.
  1. It Does Not Create a Family but a Naturally Sterile Union
Traditional marriage is usually so fecund that those who would frustrate its end must do violence to nature to prevent the birth of children by using contraception. It naturally tends to create families.
  1. It Defeats the State’s Purpose of Benefiting Marriage
One of the main reasons why the State bestows numerous benefits on marriage is that by its very nature and design, marriage provides the normal conditions for a stable, affectionate, and moral atmosphere that is beneficial to the upbringing of children—all fruit of the mutual affection of the parents. This aids in perpetuating the nation and strengthening society, an evident interest of the State.
  1. It Imposes Its Acceptance on All Society
By legalizing same-sex “marriage,” the State becomes its official and active promoter. The State calls on public officials to officiate at the new civil ceremony, orders public schools to teach its acceptability to children, and punishes any state employee who expresses disapproval.
  1. It Offends God
This is the most important reason. Whenever one violates the natural moral order established by God, one sins and offends God. Same-sex “marriage” does just this. Accordingly, anyone who professes to love God must be opposed to it.
Marriage is not the creature of any State. Rather, it was established by God in Paradise for our first parents, Adam and Eve. As we read in the Book of Genesis: “God created man in His image; in the Divine image he created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying: ‘Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.’” (Gen. 1:28-29)
The same was taught by Our Savior Jesus Christ: “From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife.” (Mark 10:6-7).
Genesis also teaches how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah for the sin of homosexuality: “The Lord rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah. He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.” (Gen. 19:24-25)

tfpstudentaction.org/politically-incorrect/homosexuality/10-reasons-why-homosexual-marriage-is-harmful-and-must-be-opposed.html

Who is TFP
TFP stands for Tradition, Family and Property, three essential values of Christian civilization.
TFP Student Action is a project of the American Society for the Defense of Tradition, Family and Property. Founded in 1973, the American TFP was formed to resist, in the realm of ideas, the liberal, socialist and communist trends of the times and proudly affirm the positive values of tradition, family and private property. The American TFP was inspired by the work of the Brazilian intellectual and man of action Prof. Plinio Corrêa de Oliveira.
What We Do
Networking with thousands of students and concerned parents, TFP Student Action defends traditional moral values on college campuses. Inspired by the teachings of the Holy Catholic Church, TFP volunteers are on the front lines of the culture war, working to restore the values of Christian civilization.
Take a look at video on this link…part of TFP website.
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Pax Christi
 
In a nutshell, Catholics equate the love of God for His bride the church to the love of a man for a woman. Jesus came to give us life and thus marriage is to give life. Now, if there are medical reasons one can not have a child, that is OK. It is nothing the couple did to prevent God’s will

CM
 
You don’t actually need to bring up religion at all to demonstrate why civil gay marriage is a bad idea. Here’s how to get at least respect, if not agreement from secular listeners.
  1. Government has NO business licensing or regulating people’s feelings. Can we at least agree on that? If marriage is nothing more than a feeling two people have for each other, government should never have gotten involved. The fact that they DID get involved suggests there is more to the story that must be investigated.
  2. Civilization and stable government depends entirely on the raising of successive generations of healthy, sane, educated and civil citizens. History finds no institution better at this than the permanent marriage of a man and woman. Thus, the reason governments got involved in marriage at all was because they have a vested interest in the wellbeing of families. As the family goes, so goes the nation (in the long run).
  3. Individual cases of sterility and willfull childlessness do NOT disprove the rule. The very relationship of actual marriage (one man, one woman making lifelong committment) is inherently ordered towards the creation and raising of children. In other words, that’s the outcome nature pushes for. You simply can’t say that for a couple consisting of two men. The very nature of their relationship does NOT push towards the creation and nurturing of new life. Sure you can trot out some unusual examples where such a gay couple adopted or lesbians used a sperm bank, but the common sense truth is that their relationship is not fundamentally ordered towards that outcome. The only way that outcome occurs is if they by an act of will choose to behave outside their nature. And in the population level, that isn’t very common.
  4. The fundamental question here isn’t one of justice and equal rights, it’s a discussion about whether there is such a thing as natural human nature outside of individual will. those opposed to gay marriage say there is. Supporters say there isn’t (even if they don’t recognize their own position on the matter). Governments have historically chosen to incentivize marriage precisely because of the benefits it is ordered towards providing society at large. There IS no such compelling interest in providing those same incentives to a relationship that is NOT ordered towards providing those same societal benefits. We can address the justice issues simply by allowing people to have durable power of attorney and living trusts over property with anyone they choose. No need to delude our collective selves that marriage is less than it really is.
If at this point in the discussion people STILL don’t get it simply bring up blackjack. Those who argue that marriage can’t be said to be about children since infertile and childless couples exist obviously have never won at blackjack. The game favors the dealer by a long shot. That’s how they can afford those enormous flashy buildings, lavish comps and practically free food. They win. Marriage resulting in babies is a similar setup. If you incentivize marriage, you incentivize parenthood. Sure the dealers busts sometimes. But in the long run, the dealer always wins. The purpose of those priviledges has always been to protect and encourage the institution upon which our future relies. Don’t mess with it.
 
“Where do you get that sex has to have the possibility to have children? Why can’t me and my husband just have sex to grow closer together as a couple? Isn’t it our choice whether we want children or not?” I could attempt to formulate a reasonable argument for this, but will not do so at this time.
Just a quick note, but it is not true that there has to be a possibility of becoming pregnant to have sex, what is necessary is that the people involved don’t do anything to disorder the act. There’s nothing wrong with pregnant, post-menopausal, or sterile women having relations with their spouses.
If a marriage cannot be consummated, it is not a marriage.
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