Non-Catholic Christian pastors and pre-marital sex

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Ok, so I’ll admit this question comes as a result of watching a TV show, not the best place to find actual information. But that’s exactly why I’m asking this question. The situation on the show is a homosexual Church of England vicar having a relationship that has just gotten sexual. His bishop has a talk with him about being circumspect in having his “friend” staying at the rectory, but doesn’t actually caution him about indulging in pre-marital sex. The vicar is feeling judged by his congregation and his bishop for having a homosexual relationship and may be reconsidering his calling. I know that C of E has legitimized same sex unions and has even ordained some homosexual bishops so I’m not sure what his problem is. But It got me wondering what would the situation be if the vicar was straight and his partner was female. Aren’t pastors in other denominations expected to be chaste before marriage (or at least not give rise to scandal) whether they’re gay or straight? Or is this all just a dramatic story device?
 
Ok, so I’ll admit this question comes as a result of watching a TV show, not the best place to find actual information. But that’s exactly why I’m asking this question. The situation on the show is a homosexual Church of England vicar having a relationship that has just gotten sexual. His bishop has a talk with him about being circumspect in having his “friend” staying at the rectory, but doesn’t actually caution him about indulging in pre-marital sex. The vicar is feeling judged by his congregation and his bishop for having a homosexual relationship and may be reconsidering his calling. I know that C of E has legitimized same sex unions and has even ordained some homosexual bishops so I’m not sure what his problem is. But It got me wondering what would the situation be if the vicar was straight and his partner was female. Aren’t pastors in other denominations expected to be chaste before marriage (or at least not give rise to scandal) whether they’re gay or straight? Or is this all just a dramatic story device?
First of all, TV often isn’t a good place to go for accurate depictions of religion, and I think Britain may be even worse in this regard than America these days. Although at least Britain has the advantage of having a state church–in America the typical Hollywood picture of religion is a sort of mishmash because there isn’t one dominant church in the same way.

The Church of England (assuming that you do mean the C of E and not the Episcopal Church in the U.S.) has not legitimized same-sex unions. The C of E’s official response to the British government’s move to legalize same-sex marriage may be found here. As you can see, it’s a very strong affirmation that marriage is the union of a man and a woman, while acknowledging the presence of virtues in same-sex relationships, the value of civil recognition of such relationships, and the “ongoing debate” about same-sex sexual relationships within the C of E.

Many people expect the C of E to follow the lead of the Episcopal Church quite soon–I’m much less sure about that. Evangelicalism is growing in strength within the C of E at the moment.

What a real C of E bishop would say to a priest in that situation would, I think, largely depend on the bishop. Some bishops would say, “My dear chap, I congratulate you on finding love, and I wish our Church would see the light on this.” Some would probably do more or less what the bishop you describe does. Some might well say, “you are in a sinful relationship and if you don’t end it I will bring you up on charges of immoral behavior.”

I suspect that the kind of muddled response you’re describing would probably be the average response. But I don’t know for sure.

Edwin
 
TV is often just propaganda disguised around a story. Fiction seems to be a greater educator for pushing the boundaries of the people than anything factual could ever do. Even history and science channels have fallen for this.

I had to laugh when a program from the states had a christian teenager pregnancy, and not knowing who the father was the inspector said “We are not dealing with the Immaculate Conception here”.

(of course they meant Virgin birth).
 
You ask some good questions, but there are no easy answers for any of them. One of the things that Edwin did not address, however, was what if this had been an opposite gender relationship? Are clergy allowed to have relationships whilst in a ministerial position? And are those relationships allowed to be sexual outside of marriage?

I can only speak for TEC, which is the community I know best. And I agree with Edwin that it totally depends on the Bishop, no matter if the priest is homosexual or heterosexual. From what I understand, clergy are encouraged NOT to develop relationships from within the congregation, and especially adulterous ones. But there are many times when the significant other (single) moves in the rectory, for instance, and becomes part of the congregation. Propriety is important, but I don’t think sexual relationships are looked down upon for the most part.

For same sex relationships, it seems almost easier for two men or two women to live together and have a social life together. People don’t really assume there is anything sexual going on. I see this with my RC clergy friends. Two men want to go off and spend a week together? No problem. Move into the rectory? No problem. I am not privy to what the Bishop or Superior says, but I know quite well that these are sexual relationships. Perhaps it’s ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’

All in all, it’s grey area, in my opinion, and very much dependent upon the Bishop and what he or she allows.
 
Ok, so I’ll admit this question comes as a result of watching a TV show, not the best place to find actual information. But that’s exactly why I’m asking this question. The situation on the show is a homosexual Church of England vicar having a relationship that has just gotten sexual. His bishop has a talk with him about being circumspect in having his “friend” staying at the rectory, but doesn’t actually caution him about indulging in pre-marital sex. The vicar is feeling judged by his congregation and his bishop for having a homosexual relationship and may be reconsidering his calling. I know that C of E has legitimized same sex unions and has even ordained some homosexual bishops so I’m not sure what his problem is. But It got me wondering what would the situation be if the vicar was straight and his partner was female. Aren’t pastors in other denominations expected to be chaste before marriage (or at least not give rise to scandal) whether they’re gay or straight? Or is this all just a dramatic story device?
This show doesn’t sound like a good one.
 
For same sex relationships, it seems almost easier for two men or two women to live together and have a social life together. People don’t really assume there is anything sexual going on. I see this with my RC clergy friends. Two men want to go off and spend a week together? No problem. Move into the rectory? No problem. I am not privy to what the Bishop or Superior says, but I know quite well that these are sexual relationships. Perhaps it’s ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’
Quite a charge… One wonders how such certain knowledge is acquired.
 
Ok, so I’ll admit this question comes as a result of watching a TV show, not the best place to find actual information. But that’s exactly why I’m asking this question. The situation on the show is a homosexual Church of England vicar having a relationship that has just gotten sexual. His bishop has a talk with him about being circumspect in having his “friend” staying at the rectory, but doesn’t actually caution him about indulging in pre-marital sex. The vicar is feeling judged by his congregation and his bishop for having a homosexual relationship and may be reconsidering his calling. I know that C of E has legitimized same sex unions and has even ordained some homosexual bishops so I’m not sure what his problem is. But It got me wondering what would the situation be if the vicar was straight and his partner was female.
I’m considering the responses by our Anglican friends. To be honest, I’m shaking my head at their explanations. 🤷
Aren’t pastors in other denominations expected to be chaste before marriage (or at least not give rise to scandal) whether they’re gay or straight?
I think the general answer is a big YES. Serious sexual sin should at the very least result in a suspension from ministry and some form of rehabilitation/restoration, but defrocking/dismissal from the ministry when discipline fails.

Evangelical denominations tend to hold their ministers accountable, but it’s the Wild West for non-denominational pastors. Non-denominational preachers don’t have any board or superintendent to oversee them, discipline them, or provide any sort of accountability.
Or is this all just a dramatic story device?
One would hope.
 
Modern TV is a propaganda machine. Little relation to the truth which simply does not seem to matter any more

I havebeen watching 30 years if “Casuatlty” on youtube over a relatively short period of time and while it started as really good TV, and some episodes still are, many are tainted with gay sex support ie kissing etc, and even!!! The obligatory transgender youth… Blatant propaganda

Any episodes featuring clergy of any denomination and/or nuns are lampoons and caricatures.

This is one major reason I dumped TV.

OP to believe any of this? To judge anyone else on a TV show?

Sure I know here Church of Ireland clergy who support gay sex; the local Bishop, Paul Colton is one such. One of his rectors, female did her best to “include” me at one stage. ie invited me to their midweek communion service… In Catholic Ireland…

Her choice, their choice, mine not to point the finger etc
I know other Church of Ireland clergy who are pure gold here.

Would rather go by that rhan blanket all clergy or all Church of Enhland /Ireland as a group.
 
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