Non-Catholic Christians - Did you know???

[Jimmy_B]

I find it amazing that there exist “Protestants” here at CAF, who are arguing, just a much with Martin Luther as they are with the early Protestant Church as with Catholicism.

Did you know, according to Martin Luther, Infant Baptism is ok, more here

“That the Baptism of infants is pleasing to Christ”
-The Large Catechism by Martin Luther.

Did you know, according to Martin Luther, Absolution and confessing to a priest (“a confessor”) is ok, more here

“Since Absolution or the Power of the Keys is also an aid and consolation against sin and a bad conscience, ordained by Christ [Himself] in the Gospel, Confession or Absolution ought by no means to be abolished in the Church, especially on account of [tender and] timid consciences and on account of the untrained [and capricious] young people, in order that they may be examined, and instructed in the Christian doctrine.” – --The Smalcald Articles, By Martin Luther.

“When speaking to God, we should plead guilty to all sins, even those we don’t know about, just as we do in the “Our Father,” but when speaking to the confessor, only the sins we know about, which we know about and feel in our hearts.”

• Luther’s Little Instruction Book
  (The Small Catechism of Martin Luther)

Did you know, Martin Luther believed in the “Real Presence” when referring to the Eucharist, more here

“It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ under bread and wine for us Christians to eat and to drink, established by Christ Himself.”
-Luther’s Little Instruction Book
(The Small Catechism of Martin Luther)

Did you know that Martin Luther Venerated Mary:
“There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.”
“The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.” (Sermon, September 1, 1522).

 

[Izdaari]

Well, I guess it’s a good thing that none of those are major issues to me.

And yes, I did know, since Martin Luther is one of my favorite Christian writers. He’s also the reason why my theology is at least 1/3 Lutheran even though I’ve never been Lutheran.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Who was it that claimed Jesus could ‘fool’ God, Luther or Calvin?

I forget.

 

[Lutheranteach]

Nothing there I was not aware of. It’s not hard to find what Lutherans believe. The Book of Concord is not hard to find online.

 

[lutherlic]

Honestly, this is kind of silly. These are Lutheran beliefs. They are not the beliefs of all Protestants however. None-the-less, I am not sure what the point is.

Lutherans still differ in beliefs from Catholics in important ways, but are “closer” than some other Protestants.

 

[gcnuss]

Honestly, this is kind of silly. These are Lutheran beliefs. They are not the beliefs of all Protestants however. None-the-less, I am not sure what the point is.

Lutherans still differ in beliefs from Catholics in important ways, but are “closer” than some other Protestants.

I, for one, rejoice in anything that helps to show that we agree in many things. One of the great problems in Lutheran/Catholic relations is that, for most of the last five centuries, the primary focus has been on the differences between us.

I don’t mean to diminish the importance of those things on which we disagree, but I pray that we will use those things that on which we agree as a foundation for eventual reconciliation.

 

[PJM]

=Jimmy B;6659779]I find it amazing that there exist “Protestants” here at CAF, who are arguing, just a much with Martin Luther as they are with the early Protestant Church as with Catholicism.

Did you know, according to Martin Luther, Infant Baptism is ok, more here

“That the Baptism of infants is pleasing to Christ”
-The Large Catechism by Martin Luther.

Did you know, according to Martin Luther, Absolution and confessing to a priest (“a confessor”) is ok, more here

“Since Absolution or the Power of the Keys is also an aid and consolation against sin and a bad conscience, ordained by Christ [Himself] in the Gospel, Confession or Absolution ought by no means to be abolished in the Church, especially on account of [tender and] timid consciences and on account of the untrained [and capricious] young people, in order that they may be examined, and instructed in the Christian doctrine.” – --The Smalcald Articles, By Martin Luther.

“When speaking to God, we should plead guilty to all sins, even those we don’t know about, just as we do in the “Our Father,” but when speaking to the confessor, only the sins we know about, which we know about and feel in our hearts.”

• Luther’s Little Instruction Book
  (The Small Catechism of Martin Luther)

Did you know, Martin Luther believed in the “Real Presence” when referring to the Eucharist, more here

“It is the true body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ under bread and wine for us Christians to eat and to drink, established by Christ Himself.”
-Luther’s Little Instruction Book
(The Small Catechism of Martin Luther)

Did you know that Martin Luther Venerated Mary:
“There can be no doubt that the Virgin Mary is in heaven. How it happened we do not know. And since the Holy Spirit has told us nothing about it, we can make of it no article of faith . . . It is enough to know that she lives in Christ.”
“The veneration of Mary is inscribed in the very depths of the human heart.” (Sermon, September 1, 1522).

No, Jimmy, I didn’t

Thank You So very much:thumbsup:

Love and prayers,
Pat

 

[JonNC]

Honestly, this is kind of silly. These are Lutheran beliefs. They are not the beliefs of all Protestants however. None-the-less, I am not sure what the point is.

Lutherans still differ in beliefs from Catholics in important ways, but are “closer” than some other Protestants.

I think what Jimmy is trying to say is that Protestants, who often claim Luther to one degree or another, regularly and perhaps unknowingly argue against what Luther believed, taught, and confessed.
But then, this has been historically the case - that most Protestants were never Lutheran, or that Lutherans were never really Protestant.

Jon

 

[lutherlic]

I think what Jimmy is trying to say is that Protestants, who often claim Luther to one degree or another, regularly and perhaps unknowingly argue against what Luther believed, taught, and confessed.
But then, this has been historically the case - that most Protestants were never Lutheran, or that Lutherans were never really Protestant.

Jon

Good point, but still Protestant in the definitional sense. Protestantism per se is not a single religion, faith community, etc. in that the actual beliefs are so very different among all who fall under the label. When you look for the commonality, it seems to be only Christian but not Catholic. It is difficult to say more than that and still apply to all Protestants.

Thinking more on Jimmy’s comments, Lutherans theologically are probably more “Catholic” than many Protestants think.

 

[rwillenborg]

I, for one, rejoice in anything that helps to show that we agree in many things. One of the great problems in Lutheran/Catholic relations is that, for most of the last five centuries, the primary focus has been on the differences between us.

I don’t mean to diminish the importance of those things on which we disagree, but I pray that we will use those things that on which we agree as a foundation for eventual reconciliation.

Agree 100%

 

[GaryTaylor]

Thanks for the posts. I didn’t know and was unknowledgable on this topic.

God Bless, Gary