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Twist and spin… I caution you AGAIN by calling these doctrine heretical dogmas go against FORUM RULES # 7 which states, Non-Catholic members are expected to respect the beliefs of Catholic members.

By calling these dogma heretical is against the FORUM RULES.
Sorry, Manny, but I cannot respect those beliefs of the RCC which diametrically oppose Scripture, i.e.,

Jesus is our ONLY intercessor … yet you’ve elevated Mary to that level, which she neither deserves nor wants.

ONLY Jesus is sinless … yet you guys invent the [Moderator removed uncharitable comment] dogma of the immaculate conception (you really must look up the word “only”).

The Holy Spirit was left to us by Jesus to guide His church (believers, not denominations) … yet your allegiance is to the pope, the vicar of Christ on earth … what a joke!

Jesus paid for all our sins on the cross and no residual effect is left to be atoned for, indeed, could never be atoned for … yet you guys rely on [Moderator removed uncharitable comment] purgatory for final cleansing. Like telling Jesus, “thanks, but I’ll take it from here” as you’re slapping him in the face.

You want respect … open your Bible and read it. Don’t go on offending God, overriding His word by your [Moderator removed uncharitable comment] tradition.

Adieu, Manny. I’ll pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes.

Charlye
 
Sorry, Manny, but I cannot respect those beliefs of the RCC which diametrically oppose Scripture, i.e.,

Jesus is our ONLY intercessor … yet you’ve elevated Mary to that level, which she neither deserves nor wants.
No. There is no official Church document that put Mary above Jesus. Since all intercessory prayer leads to Christ. Since we have become mediator in Christ just as Paul said,

1 Cor. 11:1 - again, Paul says, “Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ.” The ultimate objective of veneration is imitation.

Phil. 2:25-29 - Paul teaches us to honor Epaprhoditus who almost died for the faith. How much more honor is owed to the saints that did die for the faith!

Phil. 3:17 - Paul says to imitate him and others, which is the goal of veneration. Veneration is not worship.

1 Thess. 1:6 – Paul says to the Thessalonians, “You became imitators of us and of the Lord.” This is the goal of veneration.

2 Thess. 3:7 - Paul says that the Thessalonians should imitate him and the other bishops.

Hebrews 3:3 - Jesus is worthy of “more” glory and honor than Moses. This does not mean that the saints are worthy of no glory and honor. Instead, it proves that saintly people are worthy of glory and honor out of God’s goodness.

Heb. 6:12 – the author teaches us to be imitators of those who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Heb. 13:7 - we must imitate the faith of our faithful leaders. We ask for their intercession and venerate them for their holiness.
 
James 5:10-11 – James teaches us to take heart in the examples of the prophets and Job, who endured suffering.

1 Peter 2:17 - Peter teaches us to honor all men, love the brotherhood, fear God, honor the emperor. Don’t those living with Christ in heaven deserve honor? Catholics believe they do, and honor them with special feast days, just as we honor those living by celebrating their birthdays.

Gen. 19:1 - Lot venerates the two angels in Sodom, bowing himself with his face to the ground.
ONLY Jesus is sinless … yet you guys invent the heretical dogma of the immaculate conception (you really must look up the word “only”).
The Holy Spirit was left to us by Jesus to guide His church (believers, not denominations) … yet your allegiance is to the pope, the vicar of Christ on earth … what a joke!
Careful, I’m already angry with another Protestant don’t make me** report you **by making the commit 'what a joke."

The Pope is the Prime Minister, he represent Jesus but the head of the Catholic Church is Jesus Christ. The first Pope is Peter whom Jesus Christ built his Church Upon Peter. Matthew 16:18.
Jesus paid for all our sins on the cross and no residual effect is left to be atoned for, indeed, could never be atoned for … yet you guys rely on that mythical purgatory for final cleansing. Like telling Jesus, “thanks, but I’ll take it from here” as you’re slapping him in the face.
Look at 1 Corinthians 3:14–15: “If the work which any man has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If any man’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.” You see, the Latinate word purgatory means a purgation or burning by fire. Paul in these verses refers to a purgation process whereby a man is saved even though his works are burned away. This is precisely what the Catholic Church teaches. A person at death who still has personal faults is prevented from entering into heaven because he is not completely purified. He must go through a period of purgation in order to be made clean, for nothing unclean will enter heaven (cf. Rev. 21:27).

This objection is based on a pair of erroneous presumptions: That progressive sanctification and suffering take away from Christ’s work on Calvary and that the Church teaches that purgatory is work.

To address the second objection first, purgatory is not a place for those bad Catholics who didn’t finish working their way to heaven while on earth. “For by grace you have been saved by faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God—not because of works, lest any man should boast” (Eph. 2:8–9). The purification that takes place in purgatory is purely a work of God’s grace, since there is no chance for merit after death, and the judgment of each individual is based solely upon their earthly life. But regardless of where Christ purifies men, it is precisely because his sacrifice was sufficient that each believer can be perfected.

Though Christ paid the infinite debt of man’s sins 2,000 years ago, the sanctification process in the life of each Christian continues. In 1 Thessalonians 5:23, Paul tells the faithful, “May the God of peace himself sanctify you wholly; and may your spirit and soul and body be kept sound and blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.” According to Scripture, sanctification is a thing of the past (1 Cor. 6:11), present (1 Thess. 4:3), and future (1 Thess. 5:23) in the Christian life.

This process often involves suffering, as Paul indicates: “Let us also lay aside every weight, and sin which clings so closely, and let us run with perseverance the race that is set before us, looking to Jesus as the pioneer and perfecter of our faith, for the joy that was set before him, endured the cross. . . . ‘My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor lose courage when you are punished by him. For the Lord disciplines whom he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives. [God] disciplines us for our good, that we may share his holiness. For the moment all discipline seems painful rather than pleasant; later it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it” (Heb. 12:1–12).

Therefore, the presence of suffering does not detract from Christ’s sacrifice. In fact, there is only one mention in all of Scripture of something “lacking in Christ’s afflictions,” and that missing link is the suffering of his mystical body, the Church (Col. 1:24).

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Jesus paid for all our sins on the cross and no residual effect is left to be atoned for, indeed, could never be atoned for … yet you guys rely on that mythical purgatory for final cleansing. Like telling Jesus, “thanks, but I’ll take it from here” as you’re slapping him in the face.
You want respect … open your Bible and read it. Don’t go on offending God, overriding His word by your damnable tradition.
Adieu, Manny. I’ll pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes.
I read the Scripture and it the teachings of the Catholic Church remains faithful to the Scripture.

I am not slapping him in the face. Now you are really OFFENDING ME. I received the Lord every time I go to Mass, don’t you DARE MAKE ME ANGRY! I’m practically FED UP with Protestants.

I don’t believe in Self-Interpretation of the Bible. 2 Peter 3:15 states, "So the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are things in them hard to understand, which the IGNORANT and UNSTABLE twist to THEIR own destruction, as they do the other scripture.
 
You want to know why I remain Catholic as well as others? Well, it is Jesus Christ!

I believe that Jesus, the Word became flesh, established a physical Church. He built His Church upon Peter, appointed Peter as the first Pope and the Apostles. He gave them authority to teach and preach the Gospels. He also gave them the authority to BIND and LOOSE when teaching moral and faith issue.

The Apostles handed their authority to their successors. The Pope today is the successor of Peter. I believe these Truths because the Catholic Church is the FIRST CHRISTIAN CHURCH.

St. Ignatius of Antioch, disciple of John said in 107-110 A.D.
They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion [of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils.
Chapter 8. Let nothing be done without the bishop.
See that you all follow the bishop, even as Jesus Christ does the Father, and the presbytery as you would the apostles; and reverence the deacons, as being the institution of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude [of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful without the bishop either to baptize or to celebrate a love-feast; but whatsoever he shall approve of, that is also pleasing to God, so that everything that is done may be secure and valid.
We Catholics believed the REAL PRESENCE of Jesus Christ in the Blessed Sacrament. We received Him at Mass, and you want me to NOT RECEIVED THE LORD?

I cannot see himself not receiving the Body and Blood of the Lord. Most Protestants do not acknowledge the real presence nor do they have valid sacraments… ((continue))
 
In the Catholic Church it is the Priest have the ability given to them By God to consecrated the Body and Blood of the Lord in the Mass.

Without the priest there is No EUCHARIST! Protestant Churches does not have valid sacraments nor many of them believe in the real presence.

Interpret the Bible on my own lead to many errors. Look at the many 33,000 Protestant Churches with different doctrine? Some even are so liberal they allow Abortion and allow Contraceptions.

I see many errors in the Protestantism, and I am convince that the doctrine of Protestantism is man made. It teaches Faith Alone, Scriptura Alone, some teaches OSAS, and the Rapture theory (founded by dispensationalist John Darby in 1800s). None of these teachings are founded post Apostolic period.

I have research Christian Church history and I find it Catholic not Protestant.

I rather stay with the Church that Jesus established not some 1500 man-made invention of Protestantism.
 
Please remember your charity when posting or this thread will be closed.

God bless-

Rachel
 
Excellent posts as usual, Manny! 👍

I’ve been on this forum for about three years and I’ve seen many Protestants say to “read the Bible” like Charlye did. Well, I used to be a Protestant, and I read my Bible, and it led me to the Catholic Church.
 
I’ve been on this forum for about three years and I’ve seen many Protestants say to “read the Bible” like Charlye did. Well, I used to be a Protestant, and I read my Bible, and it led me to the Catholic Church.
I am a revert who was baptised as an infant, went to CCD, Catholic high school and Catholic college, then fell away from the Church as a post-college young adult. I did not practice any religion for about 5 years. I had never read the Bible growing up. A friend took me to a Christian music festival where a Baptist gave me a KJV Bible. I read it and returned to the Catholic Church. Now I belong to a Catholic Bible study. In my case too, a Protestant Bible made me want to be a practicing Catholic.
 
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