non-Catholic Christians

[Jack_Bauer]

I realize there are other faiths with bishops, priests, deacons and religious. But not to the same degree as Catholics or Orthodox Christians.

I’m convinced that one of the struggles with the priest and religious shortage is because many folks who are Protestant Christians would have had vocations to the priesthood and religious life had someone in their family not abandoned the Church generations prior. Even though priests, and even bishops, early on were once married prior to ordination, the celibate life was considered very special, a particular spirituality that mimics the life of Christ more fully. I would love to see preachers, deacons and elders from other faiths come quickly to the fold. I have great hopes that one day all Christians will be reunited in Christ in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, where only there is the fullness of truth. ONce people realize that spiritualities can be different, yet unified under Christ’s One Church, we will be so much better off.

 

[DominicStephen]

What you say about people abandoning the Church generations ago just set something off in me. The majority of these people didnt choose to “abandon” the Holy Roman Church.

When the British crown split from the HRC it formed the Church of England, one of the earliest non-Catholic Christian churches, and one of the first things they did was to ban Catholicism under the pain of death, not just for you, in most cases its was entire families, so they converted to save those they loved.

Which if you think about it is noble, more noble than the reasons for the formation of the CofE. By time people were allowed to openly worship in a catholic manner gernerations had passed and it had become a way of life. It is worth pointing out that ALL religions have done this, Orange men against catholics, Catholics against muslims AND Pagan natives (look to early european history). All religions have used violence to establish itself, major religions any way.

The HRC is the FIRST AND ONLY Christian church. The rest are as lost sheep waiting to find their way home, all we came do is pray, hope, and help guide these lost sheep.

God bless

Dominic.

 

[karebear92]

I realize there are other faiths with bishops, priests, deacons and religious. But not to the same degree as Catholics or Orthodox Christians.

I’m convinced that one of the struggles with the priest and religious shortage is because many folks who are Protestant Christians would have had vocations to the priesthood and religious life had someone in their family not abandoned the Church generations prior. Even though priests, and even bishops, early on were once married prior to ordination, the celibate life was considered very special, a particular spirituality that mimics the life of Christ more fully. I would love to see preachers, deacons and elders from other faiths come quickly to the fold. I have great hopes that one day all Christians will be reunited in Christ in the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church, where only there is the fullness of truth. ONce people realize that spiritualities can be different, yet unified under Christ’s One Church, we will be so much better off.

This may add to the problem, but it most certainly isn’t the only cause. I would say that there are many, many Catholics that are called to the religious life, but don’t take it seriously. I think this is more of a reason for the shortage than the leaders of other denominations.

 

[Jack_Bauer]

So, Dominic, you’re telling me not to light my cigarette because you might be set off?

 

[Jack_Bauer]

This may add to the problem, but it most certainly isn’t the only cause. I would say that there are many, many Catholics that are called to the religious life, but don’t take it seriously. I think this is more of a reason for the shortage than the leaders of other denominations.

Well, I propose that maybe the types of people that left the Church and have become staunch supporters of their faith were possibly the best candidates for the clergy and religious vocations. Look at the life of the Saints. Look how determined non-Catholic Christians live out their life. They aren’t as embarrassed as cradle Catholics in living their faith. They also don’t have the same requirements, but that’s another story.

Sure, you’re right, but it’s a topic of interest unintended to inflame ill feelings from anyone.

 

[DominicStephen]

So, Dominic, you’re telling me not to light my cigarette because you might be set off?

I’m a smoker, so d’ya need a light?

No offense intended, its just over the years many people see it as abandoning, but, at the time of “abandonment” not many had a choice, now there is too many choices and thats where faith comes in. As a parent, if someone said “You cant be a Christian anymore, if you dont start worshipping the flying spaggetti monster we will kill your family”, sorry to say it but my bible would feed a fire in less time than it took for them to say it. So because I chose to save my family we would all be worshipping contrary to church teachings, several generations later, my submission in order to save my family long forgotten, and its a habit, a family tradition and they would take the religion seriously because they know no other way.

Thats where we are at now, if people took notice of history, not history as religion teaches but as it happened, all these pseudo-Christians may come home to the loving embrace of the true church…knowing people though probably not.

Peace Friend

Dom.

 

[karebear92]

Well, I propose that maybe the types of people that left the Church and have become staunch supporters of their faith were possibly the best candidates for the clergy and religious vocations. Look at the life of the Saints. Look how determined non-Catholic Christians live out their life. They aren’t as embarrassed as cradle Catholics in living their faith. They also don’t have the same requirements, but that’s another story.

Sure, you’re right, but it’s a topic of interest unintended to inflame ill feelings from anyone.

Sorry if I came off the wrong way. I wasn’t offended or anything, I was just contributing my thoughts on the issue.

They can be determined, but I wouldn’t say that they are any more determined than Catholics. I don’t think that many ministers would necessarily become priests or nuns, simply because they also may feel called to have children.

 

[Jack_Bauer]

I’m a smoker, so d’ya need a light?

No offense intended, its just over the years many people see it as abandoning, but, at the time of “abandonment” not many had a choice, now there is too many choices and thats where faith comes in. As a parent, if someone said “You cant be a Christian anymore, if you dont start worshipping the flying spaggetti monster we will kill your family”, sorry to say it but my bible would feed a fire in less time than it took for them to say it. So because I chose to save my family we would all be worshipping contrary to church teachings, several generations later, my submission in order to save my family long forgotten, and its a habit, a family tradition and they would take the religion seriously because they know no other way.

Thats where we are at now, if people took notice of history, not history as religion teaches but as it happened, all these pseudo-Christians may come home to the loving embrace of the true church…knowing people though probably not.

Peace Friend

Dom.

I’m laughing, because I did not intend for anyone to think so far back. I was merely thinking about my own family history that goes back a few generations where the only thing threatening them for being Catholic in a predominantly Catholic state, Louisiana, was the alligators. And they’d just eat a Protestant as a Catholic without the spicy sauce. Three generations ago in my mom’s side of the family, a priest said something rude to my great great grandmother that sparked an offense. It sounded like my Catholic grandfather married outside of the church and when they took their child to be baptized the priest said something awful “I can’t baptize a bastard child.” They must have only been civilly married. Ignorance is not bliss. The clergy have forsaken their ministry many generations ago, a reflection of their time. The Church leaders do seem to recognize today the problem with previous clergy misunderstanding the real problem. The U.S.A. is primarily a renegade culture that frankly has its own culture. If you don’t believe me, come to my house and I’ll show you what hick really means.

 

[DominicStephen]

I’m laughing, because I did not intend for anyone to think so far back. I was merely thinking about my own family history that goes back a few generations where the only thing threatening them for being Catholic in a predominantly Catholic state, Louisiana, was the alligators. And they’d just eat a Protestant as a Catholic without the spicy sauce. Three generations ago in my mom’s side of the family, a priest said something rude to my great great grandmother that sparked an offense. It sounded like my Catholic grandfather married outside of the church and when they took their child to be baptized the priest said something awful “I can’t baptize a bastard child.” They must have only been civilly married. Ignorance is not bliss. The clergy have forsaken their ministry many generations ago, a reflection of their time. The Church leaders do seem to recognize today the problem with previous clergy misunderstanding the real problem. The U.S.A. is primarily a renegade culture that frankly has its own culture. If you don’t believe me, come to my house and I’ll show you what hick really means.

I walked away from the church for the same reason (he had a problem with me being a bastard) 17 years ago, only recently come back as he was retired to Ireland.