Non-Catholic husband wants a vasectomy

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I am a practising catholic married for 12 years to a non-catholic. I have always tried to keep our marriage “open to life” and I thought that my husband understood and fully supported my beliefs. However, since I discovered we were expecting our 3rd child (due this September) my husband has announced that he is going to have a vasectomy to ensure we do not have any more children. I understand that I am not morally responsible for his actions and I have told him that I am not happy with his taking this action but that I also accept that I cannot stop him. What I haven’t told him is how deeply I am going to be affected by his having a vasectomy. I am concerned that I will not be able to enjoy our love life anymore as I will be plagued by the knowledge that we are no longer open to life and I suspect I will feel used and degraded. I certainly will not feel the same way that I used to. I am not sure if he understands/realises this and don’t know how to tell him without it sounding like I’m trying to blackmail him.

I am praying every day for guidance and peace in this situation which I have yet to find. However, I am confident that eventually God will answer my prayers. In the meantime I wondered if anyone here has any advice or insight.
 
If your non-Catholic husband feels that he cannot cope with more children and has a vasectomy as he intends, as you say you can’t actually stop him.
I don’t think he would be ‘using’ you. He loves you and you love him. He isn’t in his mind and attitude “using you” because he does love you. So he still regards it as an act of love, and you still both have to make this marriage work as a mutually loving couple, for your own sakes and for the children.

If he feels emotionally blackmailed in any way he will blame you, and that would also damage your relationship. If you tell him how you feel I think if you tried to tell him your concerns as gently and quietly as possible. From his viewpoint his decision is perfectly reasonable and rational, and while he is tolerant towards your beliefs it is possible that if he feels pressured into the probability of having more children, resentment could poison the love he has for you. These sort of dificulties are those which make mixed faith marriages potentially more difficult. I know. I’m in one. And my husband made the same decision.

I pray that God will help you with this troubling dilemma, and that your marriage will remain safe in God.
 
I certainly hope that you can find it in your heart not to judge your husband for his decision to not father more children. God’s gift of sexuality was not given solely for procreation but also to fortify a loving relationship between a husband and wife. A choice such as this should not be seen as a threat to a loving relationship… I too have experienced this in my marriage.
 
While I can understand your anxiety about how this will effect your love life, I would try to put myself in your husbands shoes. Obviously I can’t know what he is thinking but I have no reason to think he’s not doing it because he feels it’s the most sensible thing and in the best interests of your family. You should be able to express yourself to him but understand it might be a little hurtful to someone who does not fully accept the Catholic faith to be told you will not enjoy your affection with him as much because you can’t have more children. You’re right, you can’t control him and I think if you try to it will cause unnecessary stress in your relationship. Having more kids is a big decision, one that you both, I would think, ought to be fully on board with.
 
Please, write out what you have said here and give it to your husband. I’m going to assume your husband loves you. If he loves you as Christ loves the Church (as Christian husbands are commanded to do), he is willing to lay down his life for you. I cannot imagine a loving husband would make a decision that would cause his wife, his other half, the kind of pain you write about.

Being honest and open is not “emotional blackmail”, it is what married couples give each other.

If your husband is a Christian, ask him to visit www.e5men.org and to fast and pray about this for some time before he makes this sort of decision. Pray for God to work a miracle and turn his heart.

My prayers are with you.
 
You need to be honest with husband and tell him how you feel before he goes through with it. Telling your husband your true feelings in not emotional black mail. Some doctors require that the wife sign a consent form before they will proceed. There have been women who have come on the forum after the surgery was done with same feelings you fear you will have.

Have you been practicing NFP? Did you and your husband take a class together about it?
 
Please, write out what you have said here and give it to your husband. I’m going to assume your husband loves you. If he loves you as Christ loves the Church (as Christian husbands are commanded to do), he is willing to lay down his life for you. I cannot imagine a loving husband would make a decision that would cause his wife, his other half, the kind of pain you write about.

Being honest and open is not “emotional blackmail”, it is what married couples give each other.
Telling someone “if you love me, you won’t do this?”:confused:

If that’s not blackmail, what is?
 
I certainly hope that you can find it in your heart not to judge your husband for his decision to not father more children. God’s gift of sexuality was not given solely for procreation but also to fortify a loving relationship between a husband and wife. A choice such as this should not be seen as a threat to a loving relationship… I too have experienced this in my marriage.
Agreed. The rigidity of Catholic teachings on contraception are a tremendous challenge for those who are not Catholic and thus not obligated to adhere to them. I can appreciate the stress on both sides of the relationship, but would encourage the OP to focus on the love and commitment your husband demonstrates, and not interpret this decision as a limit to his love.

p.s. Welcome Gloria and thanks for sharing your insight.
 
Telling someone “if you love me, you won’t do this?”:confused:

If that’s not blackmail, what is?
I am concerned that I will not be able to enjoy our love life anymore as I will be plagued by the knowledge that we are no longer open to life and I suspect I will feel used and degraded. I certainly will not feel the same way that I used to
These are the the wife’s feelings. She should not share her feelings with her husband? Sharing your feelings and concerns is now blackmail?
 
The conflicting opinions expressed by Kage_ar, rayne89 and apromisemade in regards to emotional blackmail highlight the exact problem I am facing. I am torn between wanting my husband to really understand what his decision means to me and not wanting him to feel emotionally blackmailed. As far as I am concerned I need to be “open and honest”. I want him to know how much our marriage means to me and how worried I am about the effect this decision could have on it. However he is almost bound to interpret my telling him my fears as “if you love me, you won’t do this”. Certainly, in the past when he has felt criticised or threatened by others, such as his parents and brother, expressing their feelings/hurt he has accused them of using emotional blackmail and I feel certain he would accuse me of the same in this situation.

On the other hand, even without saying anything directly to him the effect is likely to be the same in any event as I am sure that I’m not going to feel comfortable having sex with him if he goes through with this. Basically, I won’t want to have sex with him anymore as I’ll FEEL that I am participating in his sin (even though as far as I have been able to gather the Church’s view is that I am not culpable). That is not to say that I won’t desire him or love him but I know that I will FEEL sinful making love to him - and that can’t be good for our marriage.

No matter which way I look at things this is going to be VERY bad for our marriage and I don’t know how to talk to him about it without him feeling that I’m blackmailing him. 😦

Gloria Shyne: I’m not “judging” my husband.

Whatever he decides is up to his own conscience and, especially as he is not a catholic, I cannot expect that decision to mirror the Church’s teaching on the subject.

Neither can I demand that he does what I want him to do.

I understand exactly why he wants to ensure we don’t have more children. Mostly it is fear of the future and an appreciation of his own mortality along with a strong sense of responsibility for providing for his family.

I personally would rather not have any more children (this one was an unintended miracle) but neither do I feel spiritually (or sexually) comfortable with closing the door completely and denying life/God. Basically, the decision is not mine to make, “Let not my will but yours be done, Lord”.
 
The conflicting opinions expressed by Kage_ar, rayne89 and apromisemade in regards to emotional blackmail highlight the exact problem I am facing. I am torn between wanting my husband to really understand what his decision means to me and not wanting him to feel emotionally blackmailed. As far as I am concerned I need to be “open and honest”. I want him to know how much our marriage means to me and how worried I am about the effect this decision could have on it. However he is almost bound to interpret my telling him my fears as “if you love me, you won’t do this”. Certainly, in the past when he has felt criticised or threatened by others, such as his parents and brother, expressing their feelings/hurt he has accused them of using emotional blackmail and I feel certain he would accuse me of the same in this situation.

On the other hand, even without saying anything directly to him the effect is likely to be the same in any event as I am sure that I’m not going to feel comfortable having sex with him if he goes through with this. Basically, I won’t want to have sex with him anymore as I’ll FEEL that I am participating in his sin (even though as far as I have been able to gather the Church’s view is that I am not culpable). That is not to say that I won’t desire him or love him but I know that I will FEEL sinful making love to him - and that can’t be good for our marriage.

No matter which way I look at things this is going to be VERY bad for our marriage and I don’t know how to talk to him about it without him feeling that I’m blackmailing him. 😦

Gloria Shyne: I’m not “judging” my husband.

Whatever he decides is up to his own conscience and, especially as he is not a catholic, I cannot expect that decision to mirror the Church’s teaching on the subject.

Neither can I demand that he does what I want him to do.

I understand exactly why he wants to ensure we don’t have more children. Mostly it is fear of the future and an appreciation of his own mortality along with a strong sense of responsibility for providing for his family.

I personally would rather not have any more children (this one was an unintended miracle) but neither do I feel spiritually (or sexually) comfortable with closing the door completely and denying life/God. Basically, the decision is not mine to make, “Let not my will but yours be done, Lord”.
He does know that vasectomies fail sometimes right? Its not foolproof. Knowing this, God has an opportunity to have His will done anyway 🙂 Don’t underestmate God! He can accomplish anything even when we humans put “limitations” on what we think He can do. I even have heard of couples that have gotten pregnant when she had her tubes tied and he had a vasectomy.

Keep praying and let God’s will be done :gopray2:
 
I would feel the same way were my husband to do what yours proposes. I think you should tell him how you feel.

We are called to help our spouses get to Heaven. Keeping silent is not the way to do this. Of course you must be considerate of his feelings, but hiding your own is not the way to go through married life.

I don’t view it as emotional blackmail at all. It’s not only how you feel, it is objectively the TRUTH. Contraception and sterlization are disordered acts precisely because they reject God’s procreative element of the marital embrace and turn it inward towards self. Yes, it **is **using the other to have sexual relations with them while rejecting their fertility. You feel this way because it is the truth, not because you are a bad person or trying to “blackmail” him.

Perhaps you cannot change his mind, but you should try. www.omsoul.com has several resources on vasectomies and men who have regretted them. www.dontfixit.org is a secular website with men’s stories of why they are sorry they had vasectomies.
 
Let me pose a contrarian view: how would you like it if your husband imposed his religious rules on you? Without knowing what, if any, his religion is, let me ask if he came home and said he could no longer live in a home where a crucifix was displayed or be near a woman who wore Saint’s medals how would you feel?

What if he said he could not abide you going to Mass as it offended him?

What you’re doing is quite similar to these things and I believe you are allowing your own pride to obscure your judgment. That sounds harsh, but I do not mean it so.

I just want to reemphasize that we are not called to be the Holy Spirit for our spouses. We are called to be a helper to them (both husband and wife) and we are called to obey our faith.

Your husband will stand before God and answer for his life as we all will. You will not be there. You may, however, have to answer for how you treated your husband as the weaker vessel in the faith. Is your right not to be offended enough to drive him further away from God? Believe me, if you take this stand that is where it will go.

Are you willing for him to become hostile to your Catholic faith? That also may be a result.

Think hard and examine your motives.

EDIT: I wanted to clear up that I am referring to the husband as the weaker vessel in the faith because it seems as if the wife is stronger in Christian faith. I do not want to get that confused with the Apostle Paul’s discussion about women being the weaker vessel in other contexts.
 
Those of you who think that this wife is in error to be upset by this…

What if you were to make some sort of irreversable surgicial alteration to your body, would you do it if you knew your spouse would be repulsed by it?

Most loving couples I know would not paint the living room if it were a color the spouse found ugly or would not wear an outfit that spouse found unattractive, they would not pierce their ears if the hubby said it bothered him - let alone do forever body modifications to the sexual organs!

Loving couples give to each other 100% and care about the other’s comfort and well being.
 
Those of you who think that this wife is in error to be upset by this…

What if you were to make some sort of irreversable surgicial alteration to your body, would you do it if you knew your spouse would be repulsed by it?

Most loving couples I know would not paint the living room if it were a color the spouse found ugly or would not wear an outfit that spouse found unattractive, they would not pierce their ears if the hubby said it bothered him - let alone do forever body modifications to the sexual organs!

Loving couples give to each other 100% and care about the other’s comfort and well being.
She seems to be repulsed by the attitude behind the surgery, not the operation itself. It is that attitude I am questioning. What she seems to be espousing is that her Catholic teachings are binding to him because the lack of his compliance offends her - repulses her. What she is saying, in effect, is that he is not suitable for her because he is not Catholic, but as long as he pretends in the ways that are important to her, she’ll ignore that. Once, however, he stops pretending in an important category, it’s a deal breaker.

Yes, I am saying she is in the wrong for rejecting her husband if he moves forward. I also believe that he should take her feelings into consideration. He is being unreasonable if he just takes away the reproductive rights of both of them. I’m not “on his side” here, I’m just saying she is wrong to have this attitude and is perhaps going to create a wedge in her marriage that cannot be repaired.

I hate it when one person in a relationship exercises a decision that takes away an area of life for the other. I know in my marriage it has been almost impossible for me to overcome. He would be doing something similar to that.

I can also say, from experience, that pushing away your spouse, rejecting them, hating them, in effect, is the wrong way to go. We’re called to forgive and love. He is not doing something that offends his conscience.

He is in the wrong; she is, err, wronger, to mangle a word. If she moves forward with this attitude, I suspect that her marriage may not survive it.
 
A reputable urologist will REQUIRE the spouse to sign consent before a vasectomy is performed. A reputable urologist will require an office visit prior to the surgery to discuss the risks and benefits of the procedure to BOTH of you.

I do think youneed to make your feelings clear to your husband, either way there are risks. If you don’t tell him and he has the surgery and your marriage suffers after ward, then he is harmed, but harder to recover from (they aren’t always successful when reversed) If you tell him and he feels blackmailed then your marriage is harmed, but at least he will be able to take your feelings into account when deciding.
 
Let me pose a contrarian view: how would you like it if your husband imposed his religious rules on you? Without knowing what, if any, his religion is, let me ask if he came home and said he could no longer live in a home where a crucifix was displayed or be near a woman who wore Saint’s medals how would you feel?
I don’t think she’s talking about saying she couldn’t live in a home with a man who had a vasectomy. She’s saying that he needs to know ALL the effects his vasectomy is likely to have, including effects on his relationship with her. She can also tell him what she will do to mitigate those effects, and what the cost to her personally will be.

I don’t think saying “If you love me, you won’t do this” makes sense - he probably honestly believes this is the best thing for both of them, and his goals (which might be things like not bring more stress into the relationship w/ another child, preserving their sexual relationship, etc.) should be recognized for those parts which are good.

However, the OP can have this conversation without blackmail. Expect him to feel defensive, though, and sprinkle the conversation with reminders that you love him and want to get through this together, whatever his decision is. You married him for better or worse, and that means trying to make the relationship work no matter what - and you know that, but make sure he realizes that you know that and that your relationship is not on the line. Your happiness for a while might be, though, and if so, he deserves to know that. He also deserves to know that this might affect your attitude towards sex, even though you want to preserve your sexual relationship no matter what, and that sex might be emotionally uncomfortable and a real sacrifice for you for a while (if that is how you feel).

Go in to the conversation knowing that you want him to change his mind, but will not force him to. Let him know that if he won’t change his mind, then you want him to help you come up with a plan to cope with these fears and feelings together, because they are real and they may affect you both much worse if they are ignored - and let him know that you don’t want to hold on to them, but may need his help to overcome them. Make yourself vulnerable, and trust in your DH and God with love.

If you aren’t open with him, you may find yourself unable to enjoy relations with him and he may not know why. Imagine how much more painful this discussion will be if you wait. He may feel betrayed that you didn’t trust him enough to tell him these things, or upset anyways because he may still feel black-mailed. Worse, there is nothing he could do if you wait. If you tell him now, you can give him the chance to sacrifice for you without forcing the issue - and he might honestly prefer that. Don’t make his choices for him by withholding this information.

Try and figure out how to open the conversation so that he will hear that your relationship is not on the line, and keep the message “I love you and want to share the rest of my life with you, no matter what” always in the background. Whatever ideas you come up with, make sure you each try to understand what the cost to the other will be, and both also realize that your partner deserves to understand what you are sacrificing as well. If the conversation goes poorly, feel free to suggest dropping it and picking it up later when you are both calmer again. You guys want to make the best decision about this that you can, and it is a big decision. If he doesn’t want you to be a part of his decision or shuts you out in some other way, draw close to your DH through God by praying for him. If he is willing to talk with you, say “Thank you” for his own openess and honesty even if you don’t like what you hear.

Also, consider speaking with a priest about what you are going through. Pray for your husband not to have this surgery, and that whatever comes, God will give you what you need to be a light to your beloved. If you can, pray before any conversations with him.

BTW, these are just my thoughts. If anything doesn’t seem to apply to your situation, please throw it out. You are in the situation, and your judgement on the situation will be better than anyone on this forum.

:gopray: Prayers for you and your DH.
 
She seems to be repulsed by the attitude behind the surgery, not the operation itself. It is that attitude I am questioning.
I think she is repulsed by his “announcement” that he was going to “ensure” they don’t have any more children. This was not consultative, this was a unilateral decision on HIS part and he is imposing it on her through mutilating himself.

HE is the one doing the rejecting-- rejecting her fertility, rejecting fatherhood, rejecting their FUTURE, and rejecting her feelings about future children.

She said: However, since I discovered we were expecting our 3rd child (due this September) my husband has announced that he is going to have a vasectomy to ensure we do not have any more children.

THAT is repulsive.
 
He does know that vasectomies fail sometimes right? Its not foolproof.
No method is foolproof. But according to the FDA, the failure rate for vasectomies is less than for any other birth control method - and WAY less than the failure rate for NFP.

fda.gov/Fdac/features/1997/conceptbl.html

(I am not advocating one way or the other on this issue. I just think we should keep our facts straight.)
 
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