Non-Catholic reactions to Pope Benedict's resignation.

[Good_Fella]

Quite frankly, my respect for Pope Benedict has increased with this decision. It takes wisdom and humility to relinquish power when one believes they are no longer able to serve the post as someone else might.

In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke, and encourage - with great patience and instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. For I am already being poured out like a drink offering, and the time for my departure is near. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Now there is in store for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day - and not only to me, but also to all who have longed for his appearing.
2 Timothy 4, 1-8

 

[smaneck]

of course this was before Humanae Vitae. Artificial birth control does interfer with God’s plans so it is an evil…

This is probably a topic for a different thread but do you realize that in the US abortion is highest in the Latino community? Why? Because they follow the church’s teachings about birth control but when the inevitable happens they still can’t have the baby.

The bottom line is banning birth control increases the number of abortions. In my mind that is too high a price to pay.

 

[smaneck]

If I respond and say that in its third means of preventing pregancy it acts an abortificient…in otherwords, it kills human life by not letting a fertilized human egg to implant.

That is the way ‘morning after’ pills work but not the regular ones. The regular pill prevents the woman from ovulating, meaning there is no egg present to fertilize in the first place.

 

[LisaA]

This is probably a topic for a different thread but do you realize that in the US abortion is highest in the Latino community? Why? Because they follow the church’s teachings about birth control but when the inevitable happens they still can’t have the baby.

The bottom line is banning birth control increases the number of abortions. In my mind that is too high a price to pay.

Huh? My understanding is that it’s the highest in the African American community, particularly in large urban areas. Not a lot of practicing Catholics in that demographic.

Oh and tell me why they "can’t have the baby?’ I bet you’re talking about unmarried girls who are not practicing Catholics if they are engaged in fornication. Further, any woman who believes she cannot support a child can find droves of families looking to adopt. Funny how I hear women say “I could NEVER give up my child” but they are willing to kill him or her…a bit hard to reconcile.

IOW there is always an alternative path, one thought is not to engage in sex outside of marriage. I bet that Latino population who is aborting does not have a large proportion of married women.

BTW seeing you are B’hai, I am curious how you reconcile the focus on peace with violence inside the womb?

Lisa

 

[RebeccaJ]

That is the way ‘morning after’ pills work but not the regular ones. The regular pill prevents the woman from ovulating, meaning there is no egg present to fertilize in the first place.

Hi, just a slight clarification, the hormones in ABC pills suppress ovulation, most of the time. Ovulation can, and does, still occur. The hormones in ABC also thin the wall of the uterus so that a blastocyst cannot implant and continue growing.

 

[Porknpie]

That is the way ‘morning after’ pills work but not the regular ones. The regular pill prevents the woman from ovulating, meaning there is no egg present to fertilize in the first place.

Smaneck -

Fact…the “regular” Pill is registered as an abortificient with the FDA in its third means of preventing pregnancy. It’s also from what I understand in the paperwork that comes with the prescription.

You can google this more online and there are videos on youtube that explain it in detail.

 

[Indifferently]

I wish him the best following his abdication, that he is able to live a peaceful and prayerful life according to his wish, and extend grateful thanks to him for his steadfast defence of Christian morality.

 

[smaneck]

Huh? My understanding is that it’s the highest in the African American community, particularly in large urban areas. Not a lot of practicing Catholics in that demographic.

No, actually it is higher among Latinos.

Oh and tell me why they "can’t have the baby?’ I bet you’re talking about unmarried girls who are not practicing Catholics if they are engaged in fornication.

Apparently they practiced enough not to use birth control.

BTW seeing you are B’hai, I am curious how you reconcile the focus on peace with violence inside the womb?

Lisa

I’m afraid I don’t know what you are talking about. Baha’is, like Catholics, believe that life begins at conception. We may practice birth control but do not consider abortion an acceptable form of birth control. It is not, however, strictly prohibited under all circumstances such as rape or when the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother.

 

[smaneck]

Hi, just a slight clarification, the hormones in ABC pills suppress ovulation, most of the time. Ovulation can, and does, still occur.

Rarely, and even then the production of excess cervical mucus usually prevents the sperm from getting through. Now it may that the the sperm and egg do unite in which case the fact the walls of the uterus are not sufficiently prepared for a fertilized egg may prevent it from attaching itself to the wall. But this happens because the birth control pill has not really done its job.

 

[LisaA]

No, actually it is higher among Latinos.

Apparently they practiced enough not to use birth control.

I’m afraid I don’t know what you are talking about. Baha’is, like Catholics, believe that life begins at conception. We may practice birth control but do not consider abortion an acceptable form of birth control. It is not, however, strictly prohibited under all circumstances such as rape or when the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother.

It sounded as if you were promoting abortion…violence in the womb. You didn’t respond to my comment seriously. If someone wants to use the canard they got pregnant because they were “practicing Catholics” and didn’t use birth control but in fact the pregnancy is outside of wedlock and/or they consider abortion as the alternative, they are not “practicing Catholics” but using the faith to blame them for their irresponsible behavior. Further you didn’t respond to the thought that abortion isn’t the only alternative for a pregnancy where the mother feels unable to raise the child.

IOW excuses for abortion are just that, excuses.

I would like to confirm your statistics because everything I have seen indicates the percentage of terminated pregnancies in the black community are the highest. In fact I heard that abortion is the leading cause of death in that community…exceeding heart disease and cancer.

Again, I just don’t get your point…btw totally off track. If you want to discuss please move to another thread. Far from a discussion on Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation.

Lisa

PS per US Census blacks 60%+ whites 13% all other (Hispanic/Asian) 25%

 

[smaneck]

It sounded as if you were promoting abortion…violence in the womb.

How does pointing out that restrictions on birth control increases the number of abortions promote violence in the womb?

You didn’t respond to my comment seriously. If someone wants to use the canard they got pregnant because they were “practicing Catholics” and didn’t use birth control but in fact the pregnancy is outside of wedlock and/or they consider abortion as the alternative, they are not “practicing Catholics” but using the faith to blame them for their irresponsible behavior.

They are not blaming anyone as far as I know. No one practices their religion perfectly. In this case, yes, they may be having sex out of wedlock but because they consider it as well as birth control wrong they don’t take adequate precautions. The result is pregnancy. And because of the shame of an out-of-wedlock pregnancy they have an abortion.

I would like to confirm your statistics because everything I have seen indicates the percentage of terminated pregnancies in the black community are the highest.

That used to be the case. Now Latinos are surging ahead. Here is the CDC report:

cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss6108a1.htm?s_cid=ss6108a1_w#Tab22

In fact I heard that abortion is the leading cause of death in that community…exceeding heart disease and cancer.

Again, I just don’t get your point…btw totally off track. If you want to discuss please move to another thread. Far from a discussion on Pope Benedict XVI’s resignation.

I was just answering your comment.

 

[Margy1948]

Right with 118 Cardinals attending and voting its unlikely anyone but one of them will be Pope. Pope Paul VI changed the rules for conclaves with the Apostolic Constitution Romano Pontifico Eligendo. He excluded all Cardinals 80 years old or over from the conclave. JP-II further affirmed and amended other areas in the Apostolic Constitution Universi Dominici Gregis.

There are currently 118 Cardinals under age 80 and thus eligible to vote, 67 of them appointed by Benedict the others JP-II. However, four will turn 80 before the end of March. Depending on the date of the conclave.

Pope Benedict at 78 was the oldest Pope elected in 300-years I believe. Nevertheless with all Cardinals chosen by either Benedict or JP-II its indicative that like thinking will likely prevail.

Could they begin deliberating before the current Pope resigns to assure a smooth transition? Imagine what a comfort it will be for the new Pope to have the previous one available for counseling and comfort!!! This could really be a good thing!
And what happens if something happens between Popes that requires papal intervention, comment, comfort? For example if God forbid another 911 happened?

 

[ffg]

pointing out that restrictions on birth control increases the number of abortions

I can’t stand it when people mention this false point.

Statistics for Abortions have skyrocketed in the last 40 years, each year. It’s not hidden, though pp would love to not report their numbers.

Contraception, having been around for hundreds of years does nothing for the abortion numbers but increase them. Now with the morning after pill, it’s really bad.

It’s a business, if you come to me for a service, I’m going to give you what you want, say contraception, there is a lot of it out there and since you are coming to me for it for free, or very cheap, I’m buying it cheap.

I also happen to provide abortions, my money maker. So it’s in my best interest to give you something that will not work.

I highly suggest you watch a show called Blood Money - from the mouths of those who played this game for a long time - bloodmoneyfilm.com/

The mindset that contraception reduces the number of abortions is another of the mind games, the facts are out there and abortion is not declining. It’s just avoiding mandatory reporting through use of chemical abortions.

I’ll tie this into the thread by mentioning in a discussion with someone yesterday, they touted the now MSM desire to effect the conclave by spouting off about being more progressive. This item came up as one of those “everyone is doing it, so why doesn’t the church change”.

I responded with something to the effect of The Church is the only place we can go and know it’s solid, foundational, never flexing on the trends of the time. Why would you want to lose that great foundation?

 

[Margy1948]

How have they found a way to circumvent international law?

Cardinal Bernadin was a white gentleman this is now deceased. 1996 (Pancreatic canceer)

The sued the Pope and his advisors, everyone, I need to watch the documentary again. How terrible to die of such a disease. No, I am not familiar with the gentleman.

 

[smaneck]

Could they begin deliberating before the current Pope resigns to assure a smooth transition?

Not in convocation. That can only happen when the chair of Peter is vacant. But I’m sure there will be lots of discussion before then.

 

[smaneck]

I can’t stand it when people mention this false point.

Statistics for Abortions have skyrocketed in the last 40 years, each year.

Obviously they went up right after Roe vs. Wade but they have been dropping for the last twenty years.

 

[LisaA]

Obviously they went up right after Roe vs. Wade but they have been dropping for the last twenty years.

Please move this to another thread. If you don’t the Moderators might. What do you have to say about the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI.

Lisa

 

[smaneck]

Please move this to another thread. If you don’t the Moderators might. What do you have to say about the resignation of Pope Benedict XVI.

Lisa

Actually, I did much earlier in the thread. I did not introduce the topic of birth control. I was answering your own post addressing this issue.

 

[ffg]

Obviously they went up right after Roe vs. Wade but they have been dropping for the last twenty years.

With all due respect, you really ought to do some data research, this is not a hidden known that your comment is opposite of a correct statement.

It is important to clarify wrong statements, otherwise, I wouldn’t have edited this post. These numbers do not include chemical.

onenewsnow.com/pro-life/2013/01/08/planned-parenthood-record-year-for-abortions-taxpayer-funding

 

[smaneck]

With all due respect, you really ought to do some data research, this is not a hidden known that your comment is opposite of a correct statement.

It is important to clarify wrong statements, otherwise, I wouldn’t have edited this post

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The fact that Planned Parenthood may have performed a record number of abortions in 2011 does not mean abortions overall have gone up. In fact, they have decreased by about 25% since the 1990s. They are currently decreasing at the rate of 5% a year. Of course, these are US figures.

These numbers do not include chemical.

That may well be.