Non-Catholic reactions to Pope Benedict's resignation.

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I hope he has a restful and fruitful retirement. But what does a retired pope do? Can he go back to being a cardinal, take an administrative job, are there retirement communities for priests and nuns? Ex-presidents usually go on the lecture circuit, write books, become spokesmen for international charities, things that keep them in the public eye, garner praise, make them feel important. Not trying to be disrespectful here, but what kind of activities can compare to being pope?
 
WASHINGTON (RNS)—Not all Catholics appreciated Pope Benedict XVI’s staunch defense of Christian orthodoxy, traditional marriage and life from conception to natural death. But many American evangelicals sure did.
As word spread of Benedict’s resignation, many evangelicals lamented the impending loss of a powerful spokesman for their conservative causes.
“Pope Benedict XVI has exemplified moral courage and an unwavering commitment to the Gospel message,” said Ralph Reed, chairman of the Faith & Freedom Coalition, a conservative Christian political group.
More…
baptiststandard.com/news/faith-culture/14801-evangelical-conservatives-embraced-a-like-minded-pope
 
I hope he has a restful and fruitful retirement. But what does a retired pope do? Can he go back to being a cardinal, take an administrative job, are there retirement communities for priests and nuns? Ex-presidents usually go on the lecture circuit, write books, become spokesmen for international charities, things that keep them in the public eye, garner praise, make them feel important. Not trying to be disrespectful here, but what kind of activities can compare to being pope?
It has been stated that there is a former convent on the Vatican grounds that is currently being remodeled for the Pope.

Once he leaves office, at 8pm on the 28, his title will go back to Cardinal Ratzinger. There has been talk of a title of “Pope Emeritus”, but I don’t know if that his true or not.

It is believed he will live out his days within the walls of Vatican City, he may continue writing, etc. but will not have any public duties, and the chances of him hitting the lecture circuit are extremely unlikely.

He will not vote in the upcoming conclave. He is not eligible to be reelected Pope.

Of course, once the new Pontiff is selected, he of course will submit to the will of that Pope. Although, I believe the new Pope will let him live out his days in peace and quiet, as planned.
 
It seems the Catholic Church should cast lots to determine the next Pope… which would model how Judas was replaced with Matthias.
Why do you think they call it “casting” votes? 😉

The voting is prompted by the Holy Spirit.
 
Why do you think they call it “casting” votes? 😉

The voting is prompted by the Holy Spirit.
I also thought God determines our government leaders (Rom 13). Do you seem to agree with me with what you shared?
 
It has been stated that there is a former convent on the Vatican grounds that is currently being remodeled for the Pope.

Once he leaves office, at 8pm on the 28, his title will go back to Cardinal Ratzinger. There has been talk of a title of “Pope Emeritus”, but I don’t know if that his true or not.

It is believed he will live out his days within the walls of Vatican City, he may continue writing, etc. but will not have any public duties, and the chances of him hitting the lecture circuit are extremely unlikely.

He will not vote in the upcoming conclave. He is not eligible to be reelected Pope.

Of course, once the new Pontiff is selected, he of course will submit to the will of that Pope. Although, I believe the new Pope will let him live out his days in peace and quiet, as planned.
I understand he will be known as Bishop Emeritus of Rome. Not sure about returning to “Cardinal Ratzinger” although that makes sense. Just nothing to look to for guidance!

All of the Catholic reporters who focus on the Vatican have said they do not think he will be a public figure at all but will focus on prayer, scholarship, perhaps writing. I think we all share in prayer for this amazing and Holy man. I can’t think of a better phrase than “Well done good and faithful servant.”

Lisa
 
I also thought God determines our government leaders (Rom 13). Do you seem to agree with me with what you shared?
The Papacy is not a government leader in the same sense as say the Queen of England, or the President of the US.

The Holy See is something separate from being the Head of State of an Earthly government.

So, if we are talking about the Holy See, then absolutely the Holy Spirit guides the College of Cardinals.
 
The Pope, and those bishops and priests of whom you speak are not retiring from Christianity they are simply retiring as leaders of Christians. God goes to great lengths sometimes to demonstrate His will to keep chosen people on track and “in their roles” Take for example Jonah.
and we all know how that ended, So, what I am saying is, if God wanted those intended retirees to stay in the job He would have imposed His will on the situation (IMHO). What say you?

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God does not impose His will on anybody for any reason. In other words, He never commands what is impossible for us to do. If God knew that Pope Benedict was still up to the task both physically and mentally, just as Jonah was capable of engaging in his mission, He would have persuaded - not coerced - the Pontiff to reconsider and decide otherwise, if it were His will that he stay in his divine office until death. What has transpired hasn’t been determined by God, but rather permitted, since God has created all human beings as self-determining. Pope Benedict has presented valid reasons for his resignation which God has acknowledged and respected. If God were to intervene for the purpose of keeping Pope Benedict in office, He could only do so by miraculously restoring the Pontiff’s former vigour in accord with how He has ordered his creation to be self-determining. I believe that by His intervention God granted Pope Benedict the wisdom and humility to step down from the chair of St. Peter for the good of His Church because of the Pontiff’s failing health - which, of course, was not decreed and absolutely determined by God, but happened by chance through the course of nature as providentially ordered by God.

PAX
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The Papacy is not a government leader in the same sense as say the Queen of England, or the President of the US.

The Holy See is something separate from being the Head of State of an Earthly government.

So, if we are talking about the Holy See, then absolutely the Holy Spirit guides the College of Cardinals.
Do you believe God only cares who He appoints as the next Pope and not our government leaders. It seems Romans 13 clearly teaches that God appoints our government leaders too.
 
God does not impose His will on anybody for any reason. In other words, He never commands what is impossible for us to do. If God knew that Pope Benedict was still up to the task both physically and mentally, just as Jonah was capable of engaging in his mission, He would have persuaded - not coerced - the Pontiff to reconsider and decide otherwise, if it were His will that he stay in his divine office until death. What has transpired hasn’t been determined by God, but rather permitted, since God has created all human beings as self-determining. Pope Benedict has presented valid reasons for his resignation which God has acknowledged and respected. If God were to intervene for the purpose of keeping Pope Benedict in office, He could only do so by miraculously restoring the Pontiff’s former vigour in accord with how He has ordered his creation to be self-determining. I believe that by His intervention God granted Pope Benedict the wisdom and humility to step down from the chair of St. Peter for the good of His Church because of the Pontiff’s failing health - which, of course, was not decreed and absolutely determined by God, but happened by chance through the course of nature as providentially ordered by God.

PAX
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If God does not impose His will on anybody for any reason, then how can He rule and reign?
 
If God does not impose His will on anybody for any reason, then how can He rule and reign?
In righteousness, justice, and love.

The Almighty is beyond our reach and exalted in power, in his justice and great righteousness, he does not oppress.
Job 37, 23

He loves righteousness and justice; the earth is full of the steadfast love of the Lord.
Psalm 33, 5


PAX
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He is my spiritual father. I learned true Christianity from him. I wish he would have stayed on. There was and is always a special place in my heart for our Holy Father. I only wish I could have been a better son for him.

May God grant him peace.
 
I also thought God determines our government leaders (Rom 13). Do you seem to agree with me with what you shared?
Did God determine or appoint Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, and Pol Pot? :confused: If so, we have God to thank and praise for all the suffering and death these dictators brought upon humankind.

PAX
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Good Fella;10395749] God does not impose His will on anybody for any reason. In other words, He never commands what is impossible for us to do. If God knew that Pope Benedict was still up to the task both physically and mentally, just as Jonah was capable of engaging in his mission, He would have persuaded - not coerced -
Couldn’t have put it better myself “Good Fella” -of course I didn’t mean “coerce”, I really meant,
“…whom the Lord loveth, he chastiseth; and he scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.” Hebrews 12:6 (D-R)
and in so doing, God causes the person to examine their conscience to try to identify the reason for the chastisement, as was (apparently) the case for Jonah:
“And he said unto them, Take me up, and cast me forth into the sea; so shall the sea be calm unto you: for I know that for my sake this great tempest is upon you” Jonah 1:12 (KJV)
And I have seen a comment on this Forum regarding Pope Benedict XVI that it is not impossible for him to be re-elected, is that correct?

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And I have seen a comment on this Forum regarding Pope Benedict XVI that it is not impossible for him to be re-elected, is that correct?

Protector
It is not impossible; however, it requires the willingness of the cadidate to accept the office. I mean, it would require the Pope to again accept the office.
 
I also thought God determines our government leaders (Rom 13). Do you seem to agree with me with what you shared?
CU-

It’s always helpful to post the text… 🙂

Romans is talking about the need to obey authority, not that God determines our leaders.

1 Let every person be subordinate to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been established by God.
2 Therefore, whoever resists authority opposes what God has appointed, and those who oppose it will bring judgment upon themselves.

But this authority, the rulers, need to take heed for they have a responsibility

Wisdom 6
1 Listen therefore, O kings, and understand;
learn, O judges of the ends of the earth.
2 Give ear, you that rule over multitudes,
and boast of many nations.
3 For your dominion was given you from the Lord,
and your sovereignty from the Most High;
he will search out your works and inquire into your plans.
4 Because as servants of his kingdom you did not rule rightly,
or keep the law,
or walk according to the purpose of God,
5 he will come upon you terribly and swiftly,
because severe judgment falls on those in high places.
6 For the lowliest may be pardoned in mercy,
but the mighty will be mightily tested.
7 For the Lord of all will not stand in awe of anyone,
or show deference to greatness;
because he himself made both small and great,
and he takes thought for all alike.
8 But a strict inquiry is in store for the mighty.
9 To you then, O monarchs, my words are directed,
so that you may learn wisdom and not transgress.
10 For they will be made holy who observe holy things in holiness,
and those who have been taught them will find a defense.
11 Therefore set your desire on my words;
long for them, and you will be instructed.

The Catechism speaks to our obeying authorities and that rulers are freely appointed by the people, not God.
1897 “Human society can be neither well-ordered nor prosperous unless it has some people invested with legitimate authority to preserve its institutions and to devote themselves as far as is necessary to work and care for the good of all.”
By “authority” one means the quality by virtue of which persons or institutions make laws and give orders to men and expect obedience from them.
1898 Every human community needs an authority to govern it. The foundation of such authority lies in human nature. It is necessary for the unity of the state. Its role is to ensure as far as possible the common good of the society.
1899 The authority required by the moral order derives from God: “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.”
1900 The duty of obedience requires all to give due honor to authority and to treat those who are charged to exercise it with respect, and, insofar as it is deserved, with gratitude and good-will.
Pope St. Clement of Rome provides the Church’s most ancient prayer for political authorities: “Grant to them, Lord, health, peace, concord, and stability, so that they may exercise without offense the sovereignty that you have given them. Master, heavenly King of the ages, you give glory, honor, and power over the things of earth to the sons of men. Direct, Lord, their counsel, following what is pleasing and acceptable in your sight, so that by exercising with devotion and in peace and gentleness the power that you have given to them, they may find favor with you.”

1901 If authority belongs to the order established by God, "the choice of the political regime and the appointment of rulers are left to the free decision of the citizens."
The diversity of political regimes is morally acceptable, provided they serve the legitimate good of the communities that adopt them. Regimes whose nature is contrary to the natural law, to the public order, and to the fundamental rights of persons cannot achieve the common good of the nations on which they have been imposed.
1902 Authority does not derive its moral legitimacy from itself. It must not behave in a despotic manner, but must act for the common good as a “moral force based on freedom and a sense of responsibility”:
A human law has the character of law to the extent that it accords with right reason, and thus derives from the eternal law. Insofar as it falls short of right reason it is said to be an unjust law, and thus has not so much the nature of law as of a kind of violence.
1903 Authority is exercised legitimately only when it seeks the common good of the group concerned and if it employs morally licit means to attain it. If rulers were to enact unjust laws or take measures contrary to the moral order, such arrangements would not be binding in conscience. In such a case, “authority breaks down completely and results in shameful abuse.”
1904 “It is preferable that each power be balanced by other powers and by other spheres of responsibility which keep it within proper bounds. This is the principle of the ‘rule of law,’ in which the law is sovereign and not the arbitrary will of men.”
 
Do you believe God only cares who He appoints as the next Pope and not our government leaders. It seems Romans 13 clearly teaches that God appoints our government leaders too.
It seems as though you are fishing for a particular answer.

At the very least, it seems like you are trying to drive the conversation in such a way as to get someone to paint themselves into a corner so to speak.

Several people have given you thorough answers to your Roman 13 interpretation.

Past this point, it is merely dragging the thread off topic.

If you want to discuss it further, start a new thread.
 
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