Non-Catholic religions and abortion

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This is blatant Catholic-baiting and shows your true lack of knowledge.
Most of the loss of life in the past century were the fault of atheistic regimes, not “religion”.
Im not talking about the past century. Im talking about the inquisition, the crusades, the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre, the Nurember massacre, etc. Thats how cheap life was back in the religious days of Europe.

But now that you mentioned the past century, if you are referring to the holocaust, centuries old religious hatred for jews played a major part in its success.
 
And thats a world of difference. JMCrae even agreed that serial killers dont deserve to live. That means he has requirements too. Your flawed logic puts him on the same boat as the Nazis.
My logic doesnt rationaliz the killing of 1.2 million children a year.
 
Im not talking about the past century. Im talking about the inquisition, the crusades, the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre, the Nurember massacre, etc. Thats how cheap life was back in the religious days of Europe.

But now that you mentioned the past century, if you are referring to the holocaust, centuries old religious hatred for jews played a major part in its success.
Bye.
 
This is blatant Catholic-baiting and shows your true lack of knowledge.
Most of the loss of life in the past century were the fault of atheistic regimes, not “religion”.
This is true Jennifer, look at Communism in Russia and China. These two atheistic regimes still don’t have much value on human life. In China they still allow only two children and only one can be female, otherwise they abort the child or euthanize her.
Thats a very good point.
 
Im not talking about the past century. Im talking about the inquisition, the crusades, the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre, the Nurember massacre, etc. Thats how cheap life was back in the religious days of Europe.

But now that you mentioned the past century, if you are referring to the holocaust, centuries old religious hatred for jews played a major part in its success.
You don’t know anything about these things you mention.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain how exactly life is cheapened by abortion. I dont care about theories. I want to see direct impacts to society. Like how it affects crime rates & wars.
Abortion is the killing of human life at its most vulnerable state.

Abortion and contraception are an effort to divorce sex from procreation, making the human body an object for our own pleasure, rather than the unitive expression of love and respect it was created for by the Creator.

Once you objectify the body for selfish pursuits, life is devalued across the board. Life is only as valuable and precious as it is deemed useful and material to others, not an inalienable right filled with purpose and dignity, regardless of whether it is useful to us or society.

The #1 cause of death for pregnant women? Murder. That is a direct result of the contraceptive mentality and abortion.
 
Im not talking about the past century. Im talking about the inquisition, the crusades, the St. Bartholomew’s Day massacre, the Nurember massacre, etc. Thats how cheap life was back in the religious days of Europe.

But now that you mentioned the past century, if you are referring to the holocaust, centuries old religious hatred for jews played a major part in its success.
Speaking of the Crusades, did you know that there were far more Catholics killed during the reign of Elizabeth I than there were non-Catholics killed during the Crusades? Yet it’s only Catholics who allegedly devalue human life? Right.

Abortion is not just the destruction of human life. It’s the destruction of *innocent *human life. There’s a huge difference between thinking that some serial killers should be put to death for the general safety of the population and thinking that innocent human children should be able to die for convenience’s sake.
 
And will all certainty, youre wrong. Tough luck. cya! 😃
Just because you think something to be so doesn’t make you right. These things, the Inquisition, the Crusades, just aren’t what they are portrayed to be by the MSM or Hollywood.
 
And thats a world of difference. JMCrae even agreed that serial killers dont deserve to live. That means he has requirements too. Your flawed logic puts him on the same boat as the Nazis.
JMCrae says they don’t deserve to live. This means that yes their crime is punishable by death in some states and he would not disagree. Woud JMCrae take a gun … go up to the man and shoot him …no … would you … I doubt it. There is a world of difference between setting a death penalty punishment for a crime and a death penalty punishment for being whatever … you fill it in (Jewish, Protestant, black, white, Chinese, Muslim, not Muslim whatever). If you cannot make this distinction … well I would understand why you can’t.

Not even all serial killers are executed … some are given life and some are even found not guilty by reason of insanity. To compare the 2 isludicrous.

What crime did any victim of an ethnic cleansing do … they merely existed. So a previous action (crime) was not necessary nor was it anything they could change (ethnicity) just mere existence … same as abortion.

I doubt you would answer this … you seem to enjoy baiting rather than debating. Kind of like being a gnat … you keep swatting till they go away.
 
Speaking of the Crusades, did you know that there were far more Catholics killed during the reign of Elizabeth I than there were non-Catholics killed during the Crusades? Yet it’s only Catholics who allegedly devalue human life? Right.

Abortion is not just the destruction of human life. It’s the destruction of *innocent *human life. There’s a huge difference between thinking that some serial killers should be put to death for the general safety of the population and thinking that innocent human children should be able to die for convenience’s sake.
Catholics who rebelled against Elisabeth I in order to put Mary on the throne were killed in battle. It was a war. E did hang the leaders of the rebellion who were captured. That was execution for treason. E did not kill people solely because of their religious beliefs. She made no windows into men’s souls.

In this day and age of large, strong prisons, there is no justification for capital punishment. It is every bit as wrong as abortion. Abortion is killing based on greed. Capital punishment is killing based on vengeance. Evil things, both.
 
Just because you think something to be so doesn’t make you right. These things, the Inquisition, the Crusades, just aren’t what they are portrayed to be by the MSM or Hollywood.
Anti semitism in Europe goes back to the early Middle Ages. It was not a Nazi thing. The Nazis used it a a straw man to unite the German Austrian Peoples for war. The anti semitism was already well established in the hearts of many Christians. The following is from Wiki:
The Crusades
Main article: History of the Jews and the Crusades
The trials which the Jews endured from time to time in the different kingdoms of the Christian West were only intimations of the catastrophe which broke over them at the time of the Crusades. A wild, unrestrained throng, for which the crusade was only an excuse to indulge its rapacity, fell upon the peaceful Jews and sacrificed them to its fanaticism. In the First Crusade (1096) flourishing communities on the Rhine and the Danube were utterly destroyed; see German Crusade, 1096. In the Second Crusade (1147) the Jews in France suffered especially. Philip Augustus treated them with exceptional severity. In his days the Third Crusade took place (1188); and the preparations for it proved to be momentous for the English Jews. After unspeakable trials, Jews were banished from England in 1290; and 365 years passed before they were allowed to settle again in the British Isles (see History of the Jews in England). The Jews were also subjected to attacks by the Shepherds’ Crusades of 1251 and 1320.
Differences in cultural and lifestyle practices between Jews and Christians also led to persecution. Jews were charged by some with having provoked the Plague. Because Jews had a religious obligation to be clean, they did not use water from public wells. And so as previously mentioned, Jews were suspected of causing the plague by deliberately poisoning wells. Typically, comparatively fewer Jews died from the Black Death, in part due to rabbinical laws that promoted habits that were generally cleaner than that of a typical medieval villager. Jews were also socially isolated, often living in Jewish ghettos. Because isolated people were less likely to be infected, there were differences in mortality rates between Jews and non-Jews and this led to raised suspicions in people who had no concept of bacterial transmission.
Christian mobs attacked Jewish settlements across Europe; by 1351, sixty major and 150 smaller Jewish communities had been destroyed, and more than 350 separate massacres had occurred. This persecution reflected more than ethnic hatred. In many places, attacking Jews was a way to criticize the monarchs who protected them (Jews were under the protection of the king, and often called the “royal treasure”), and monarchic fiscal policies, which were often administered by Jews. An important legacy of the Black Death was to cause the eastward movement of what was left of north European Jewry to Poland and Russia, where it remained until the twentieth century.
 
Catholics who rebelled against Elisabeth I in order to put Mary on the throne were killed in battle. It was a war. E did hang the leaders of the rebellion who were captured. That was execution for treason. E did not kill people solely because of their religious beliefs. She made no windows into men’s souls.
Wow, talk about revisionist history. Actually, people *were *killed for the sole reason of being Catholic and refusing to renounce their beliefs. You should read the stories about some of the English martyrs sometime.
 
I wonder if anyone could explain how exactly life is cheapened by abortion. I dont care about theories. I want to see direct impacts to society. Like how it affects crime rates & wars.
I don’t know about everyone else but I’m done with you.

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Wow, talk about revisionist history. Actually, people *were *killed for the sole reason of being Catholic and refusing to renounce their beliefs. You should read the stories about some of the English martyrs sometime.
I went through all the names on the link you provided and this is how they break down.

1491-1547 Reign of Henry VIII

Carthusian monks May 1534
Thomas Moore July 6, 1535

1558-1603 Reign of Elizabeth I

Edward Campion 1581*
Ralph Sherwin 1581

1603-1625 Reign of James I

John Roberts martyred in 1610

1653-1658 Oliver Cromwell

John Southworth 1654

1660-1585 Charles II

Oliver Plunkett martyred in 1681

*Elizabeth I executed Campion not as a Catholic but as a Traitor involved in attempts by the French and Spanish to overthrow her rule. Note that these two men were executed at the very end of her reign after repeated attempts of various Catholic factions to assassinate her.

By far the worst persecutions of Catholics occured during the time of Henry VIII.
 
*Elizabeth I executed Campion not as a Catholic but as a Traitor involved in attempts by the French and Spanish to overthrow her rule. Note that these two men were executed at the very end of her reign after repeated attempts of various Catholic factions to assassinate her.
And Henry VIII beheaded more than one wife on the charge of “adultery.” Doesn’t mean either charge was right or justified.

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This source says
There were as many executions of Catholics under Elizabeth as there were Protestants under Mary, though over a reign nine times as long.
Both Protestants and Catholics alike have been guilty of (and are still guilty of, in some parts of the world) many awful atrocities. My whole point has been that Protestants have killed in the name of their religious beliefs just as much as Catholics have over history, so it’s not fair to tout the Crusades, Inquisition, etc. every time a Catholic is holding a debate on an unrelated subject. It’s a red herring, detracting from the real subject at hand.
 
wanner47;And Henry VIII beheaded more than one wife on the charge of “adultery.” Doesn’t mean either charge was right or justified.
I never said the charge was true or false. I merely stated why he was executed.
Both Protestants and Catholics alike have been guilty of (and are still guilty of, in some parts of the world) many awful atrocities. My whole point has been that Protestants have killed in the name of their religious beliefs just as much as Catholics have over history, so it’s not fair to tout the Crusades, Inquisition, etc. every time a Catholic is holding a debate on an unrelated subject. It’s a red herring, detracting from the real subject at hand.
You were the one who brought up the issue with this statement.
Speaking of the Crusades, did you know that there were far more Catholics killed during the reign of Elizabeth I than there were non-Catholics killed during the Crusades? Yet it’s only Catholics who allegedly devalue human life? Right.
Catholics went to war with England and were killed. But, that was war not religious persecution. You were the one who brought the subject up. It is your red herring that you smell.
 
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