Non-Catholic religions and abortion

[estesbob]

i certainly will when she becomes mature enough to understand my point.

and hey, there wasnt a ‘you’ yet before the mind came into existence.

I doubt any child is mature enough to uderstand their parents telling them there was a time you considered them worthless and would have had no problem whatsoever killing them.

And there has always been a “me” from the moment I was conceived. I understand I always was of value as a human being and hopefully your child will grow to understand the same thing and not have such a callous disregard for human life as you do.

 

[AgnosTheist]

No, consciousness = self according to your arguments.

i wouldnt put it that way since for some of you ‘conscioussness=awake’ & ‘unconsciousness=asleep’.

When one’s concept of awareness, their consciousness, is impaired, then logically they are no longer persons.

your opinion, not mine.

 

[AgnosTheist]

I doubt any child is mature enough to uderstand their parents telling them there was a time you considered them worthless and would have had no problem whatsoever killing them.

that depends on how you give the message. you obviosly want me to give it in the most brutal way possible.

 

[Jennifer123]

i wouldnt put it that way since for some of you ‘conscioussness=awake’ & ‘unconsciousness=asleep’.

your opinion, not mine.

You are unconscious when you are asleep! You are unconscious when under anesthesia, when passed out drunk, why even a murderer could get away with it if they only punch their victim out before killing them.

God be with you Agnos. I hope you can see the intellectual decadence of your arguments. The “mind” can not be proven. However, science is clear. A human being is created at conception.

 

[iamrefreshed]

I doubt any child is mature enough to uderstand their parents telling them there was a time you considered them worthless and would have had no problem whatsoever killing them.

And there has always been a “me” from the moment I was conceived. I understand I always was of value as a human being and hopefully your child will grow to understand the same thing and not have such a callous disregard for human life as you do.

Unfortunately Bob, many take that ‘me’ way to liberally and assume they have no responsibility to other human beings.

The majority abort their children out of convenience as I’m sure you know.

“Money’s tight, kill the baby”.
“What about our wedding plans, kill the baby”.
“What will everyone think, kill the baby”.
“Ohhh, I don’t want to look like a balloon on vacation, kill the baby”.

That’s taking the ‘me’ to an extreme

 

[estesbob]

i am in the middle ground. if i am being subjective, its only a little bit.

There is no middle ground.

 

[iamrefreshed]

that depends on how you give the message. you obviosly want me to give it in the most brutal way possible.

A brutal act should be disclosed brutally.

 

[estesbob]

Unfortunately Bob, many take that ‘me’ way to liberally and assume they have no responsibility to other human beings.

The majority abort their children out of convenience as I’m sure you know.

“Money’s tight, kill the baby”.
“What about our wedding plans, kill the baby”.
“What will everyone think, kill the baby”.
“Ohhh, I don’t want to look like a balloon on vacation, kill the baby”.

That’s taking the ‘me’ to an extreme

It is easy to support the killing of those to young to defend themselves.

 

[jmcrae]

hey, is the ‘morning after pill’ a subjective opinion on abortion?

No - it’s a compound of chemicals in powdered form, compressed into a pill, that is designed to terminate (abort) a pregancy.

If there is no pregnancy to abort, it doesn’t actually do anything at all.

 

[AgnosTheist]

No - it’s a compound of chemicals in powdered form, compressed into a pill, that is designed to terminate (abort) a pregancy.

If there is no pregnancy to abort, it doesn’t actually do anything at all.

some morning after pills can abort a new zygote. is abortion on this stage subjective?

 

[jmcrae]

some morning after pills can abort a new zygote. is abortion on this stage subjective?

I think all morning after pills have that as their goal, do they not? (What would be the point of a morning after pill that didn’t kill the baby, if one was conceived the previous night?)

How can an abortion be “subjective?”

 

[AgnosTheist]

Why don’t you look your child in the eye and tell him the he was worthless until he developed into what you would you consider to be a human being and that you would have no problem killing him before he had a chance to be born if he didn’t meet your subjective definition of life.

on the second thought, your suggestion is irrelevant. i love having my own kids, and its simply not me to abort my own product for any other reason aside from the scenario that it endangers my wife’s life. i will just tell her that her true self did not really begin until her body started developing a brain while in her mommy’s tummy. abortion is out of the question.

 

[st_lucy]

on the second thought, your suggestion is irrelevant. i love having my own kids, and its simply not me to abort my own product for any other reason aside from the scenario that it endangers my wife’s life. i will just tell her that her true self did not really begin until her body started developing a brain while in her mommy’s tummy.

Well lets hope she doesn’t lose her mind sometime when she is around you, or anyone with your point of view because than she is at risk of being exterminated.

 

[iamrefreshed]

on the second thought, your suggestion is irrelevant. i love having my own kids, and its simply not me to abort my own product for any other reason aside from the scenario that it endangers my wife’s life. i will just tell her that her true self did not really begin until her body started developing a brain while in her mommy’s tummy.

and luckily for you honey mommy was not in danger during the pregnancy or we would have killed you.

 

[AgnosTheist]

and luckily for you honey mommy was not in danger during the pregnancy or we would have killed you.

well i’m sure that is something that even some of you pro-life extremists would have to choose if it happens to you. har har har! the truth hurts.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Well lets hope she doesn’t lose her mind sometime when she is around you, or anyone with your point of view because than she is at risk of being exterminated.

well lets hope you yourself dont end up like Terry Shiavo, that your spouse would become too drained to finance your lifesupport and finally decide that your mindless body aint you anymore and pull the plug.

as for me i hope that doesnt happen as well, but in case that it does my wife already has my approval to pull the plug right away.

 

[iamrefreshed]

well i’m sure that is something that even some of you pro-life extremists would have to choose if it happens to you. har har har! the truth hurts.

Some of us pro-life extremists (I love being called that ) have made tough choices. The truth is actually very liberating.

 

[AgnosTheist]

Some of us pro-life extremists (I love being called that ) have made tough choices.

yes but not the tough choice of deciding who should live or die.

 

[iamrefreshed]

yes but not the tough choice of deciding who should live or die.

You’ve no idea of the choices I or any other poster here have had to make.

 

[estesbob]

some morning after pills can abort a new zygote. is abortion on this stage subjective?

Yes. Human life has begun-who are you or anyone else to say it is not worth protecting?