Non-Catholic religions and abortion

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AgnosTheist said:
well lets hope you yourself dont end up like Terry Shiavo, that your spouse would become too drained to finance your lifesupport and finally decide that your mindless body aint you anymore and pull the plug.

as for me i hope that doesnt happen as well, but in case that it does my wife already has my approval to pull the plug right away.
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Well, I am very relieved to know that my husband knows that it is wrong to kill another human just cause you don’t have enough money. What a coupe out. :rolleyes:

If finance is your final descicion on who lives than lets kill all the poor and elderly. See how your “a zygote is not a true human” has turned into "a sick person who doesn’t have the finace their medical situation should pull the plug.
 
st_lucy said:
Well, I am very relieved to know that my husband knows that it is wrong to kill another human just cause you don’t have enough money. What a coupe out. :rolleyes:
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easily said than done. lets just hope neither one of us ends up like Terry. 🙂
st_lucy said:
If finance is your final descicion on who lives than lets kill all the poor and elderly.
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you like pushing people into extremes. sorry it wont work on me. 😛
st_lucy said:
See how your “a zygote is not a true human” has turned into "a sick person who doesn’t have the finace their medical situation should pull the plug.
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you are just abusing the discussion.
 
AgnosTheist said:
well lets hope you yourself dont end up like Terry Shiavo, that your spouse would become too drained to finance your lifesupport and finally decide that your mindless body aint you anymore and pull the plug.

as for me i hope that doesnt happen as well, but in case that it does my wife already has my approval to pull the plug right away.
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Terry Schiavo had a large trust fund as the result of a lawsuit filed on her behalf-it was over a million dollars. In addtion her parents promised to let her adulterous husband have the money and pay for her care themselves. he refused.

What you really need to worry about is getting old and having your child remember you telling them that their are stages of development when a human life is worthless.
 
estesbob said:
Yes.
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and how is it subjective when its just a 1 day old lump of brainless cells?
estesbob said:
Human life has begun-who are you or anyone else to say it is not worth protecting?
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say, how much of your income do you contribute to the dying children of the 3rd world?
estesbob said:
You come to a lot of inavlid conclusions dont you?
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by all means, please invalidate it. tell me you went through that situation.
 
estesbob said:
Terry Schiavo had a large trust fund as the result of a lawsuit filed on her behalf-it was over a million dollars. In addtion her parents promised to let her adulterous husband have the money and pay for her care themselves. he refused.
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well that was Terry Shiavo. what if it happens to you and your loved ones did not get any trust funds? are they wealthy enough to finance your mindless body for decades? what about the poor catholics in this discussion?
estesbob said:
What you really need to worry about is getting old and having your child remember you telling them that their are stages of development when a human life is worthless.
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so?
 
AgnosTheist said:
on the second thought, your suggestion is irrelevant. i love having my own kids, and its simply not me to abort my own product for any other reason aside from the scenario that it endangers my wife’s life. i will just tell her that her true self did not really begin until her body started developing a brain while in her mommy’s tummy. abortion is out of the question. 🙂
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The brain is developed long before 90 days.
TIME PERIOD: 61- 68 days post-ovulationn
Head and Neck
Basic brain structure of the fetus is complete and now the brain mass rapidly increases. Sockets for all twenty teeth are formed in the gum lines. Face has human appearance - one example is the nasolacrimal grooveforming on the upper lip. Separate folds of the mouth fuse together forming the palate. Early facial hair follicles begin to develop.
Thorax
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notself said:
The brain is developed long before 90 days.
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i know. but thats just the ‘basic’ brain structures. i’ve seen a science article detailing the brain function at that level, but i cant find it. not that its that relevant anymore since the discussion have moved into the much earlier stages of pregnancy. the one day old zygote.
 
AgnosTheist said:
by all means, please invalidate it. tell me you went through that situation.
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The fact that you could ask someone to reveal, on a public forum, this type of information makes me understand how you could end the life of a child indiscriminately.

Sad really.
 
iamrefreshed said:
The fact that you could ask someone to reveal, on a public forum, this type of information makes me understand how you could end the life of a child indiscriminately.

Sad really.
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what is sad, is that you judge another person by what you choose to see.
 
jmcrae said:
No - it’s a compound of chemicals in powdered form, compressed into a pill, that is designed to terminate (abort) a pregancy.

If there is no pregnancy to abort, it doesn’t actually do anything at all.
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If the morning after pill is taken within 20-24 hours of coitus, the nuclei of the egg and sperm will not have joined and the DNA will still be separate. No baby. The morning after pill when taken properly does not cause abortion.
TIME PERIOD: 1 day post-ovulation
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Fertilization begins when a sperm penetrates an oocyte (an egg) and it ends with the creation of the zygote. The fertilization process takes about 24 hours.
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A sperm can survive for up to 48 hours. It takes about ten hours to navigate the female productive track, moving up the vaginal canal, through the cervix, and into the fallopian tube where fertilization begins. Though 300 million sperm may enter the upper part of the vagina, only 1%, 3 million, enter the uterus. The next step is the penetration of the zona pellucida, a tough membrane surrounding the oocyte. Only one sperm needs to bind with the protein receptors in the zona pellucida to trigger an enzyme reaction allowing the zona to be pierced. Penetration of the zona pellucida takes about twenty minutes.
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AgnosTheist said:
what is sad, is that you judge another person by what you choose to see.
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My reading your writing is not judging you.

You flat out asked if any had had to make the decision you deem valid for abortion.

You certainly implied none did. I told you some of us had to. My wife and I did. We have a beautiful 16 year old daughter because we trusted in God.
 
iamrefreshed said:
The fact that you could ask someone to reveal, on a public forum, this type of information makes me understand how you could end the life of a child indiscriminately.

Sad really.
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The sad part is he doesnt see it. Supportng the killing of children coarsens one in ways they dont even realize.
 
AgnosTheist said:
i know. but thats just the ‘basic’ brain structures. i’ve seen a science article detailing the brain function at that level, but i cant find it. not that its that relevant anymore since the discussion have moved into the much earlier stages of pregnancy. the one day old zygote.
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Is the one day old child human life?
 
iamrefreshed said:
You flat out asked if any had had to make the decision you deem valid for abortion.
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i only asked bob if he went through the situation that only an abortion could save a life. so? how on earth does that make me one who ‘could end the life of a child indiscriminately’.
iamrefreshed said:
You certainly implied none did. I told you some of us had to. My wife and I did. We have a beautiful 16 year old daughter because we trusted in God.
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i’m not sure if you understood what I was referring to, so if you dont mind can you tell us what happened? if you dont like any detail being made public, can you please share it with notself and she could tell me whether or not if fits the scenario i mentioned. I trust her abilities for comprehension.
 
AgnosTheist said:
i only asked bob if he went through the situation that only an abortion could save a life. so? how on earth does that make me one who ‘could end the life of a child indiscriminately’.
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So? Do you have any idea the enormity of your ‘question’? I’ll let you in on something. Most of the people you see walking around everyday, they are broken. They have suffered betrayal, rape, abuse, incest, lack of love to name just a few. Be careful what you ask.
AgnosTheist said:
i’m not sure if you understood what I was referring to, so if you dont mind can you tell us what happened? if you dont like any detail being made public, can you please share it with notself and she could tell me whether or not if fits the scenario i mentioned. I trust her abilities for comprehension.
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This portion of your post just proves out my response above. Does it matter why? We went through a very difficult time. Would it make a difference if it was rape, wife’s medical decision or birth defects?
 
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