Non-Catholic religions and abortion

[zearro]

Well at least you are consistent. I don’t know how many animal rights folks I have met that have no problems with killing the unborn.

Anyway, carry on.

Why thank you.

 

[zearro]

Again, there is no moral equivalency between animals and foetuses.

Foetuses are our brothers and sisters, created by God in His own image and likeness.

Animals were created by God for us to eat their flesh, wear their skins, and make tools out of their bones, to be our pets, and to help us with our daily work. They are not our brothers and sisters.

I know that is what you believe. You believe that God gave you the right to kill animals for food. If God says it is OK then that is enough for you.

It is not enough for me. On what moral principles does your God justify the killing of animals? How is this evidence of a God of Love? How do you know your God is moral. (Saying he is a creator is not an answer there is no reason why creator needs to be moral). By what criteria do you judge him? How do you know he is not demon? So far you have just given me a statement of faith.

VB

 

[saint_lynda]

I think people considering an obortion should witness an abortion in the uterus, they have made such films. . Imagine having some one with a hugh sword chopping off your childs leg then its head and then slicing through its abdomen , this is what happens during an abortion when sharp curettes are used to scrape the uterus do you think that the foetus is not sliced and diced. if someone did this to a child outside the uterus can you imagine the who ha. But do it to an innocent child in the uterus and no one seems to care. God breathes life into every baby at conception. From that moment it is a living, feeling being and to abort it you must kill it. Can you imagine the pain.

 

[notself]

I think people considering an obortion should witness an abortion in the uterus, they have made such films. . Imagine having some one with a hugh sword chopping off your childs leg then its head and then slicing through its abdomen , this is what happens during an abortion when sharp curettes are used to scrape the uterus do you think that the foetus is not sliced and diced. if someone did this to a child outside the uterus can you imagine the who ha. But do it to an innocent child in the uterus and no one seems to care. God breathes life into every baby at conception. From that moment it is a living, feeling being and to abort it you must kill it. Can you imagine the pain.

You don’t have to imagine this. You can just watch the video. There is suffering here as well. Abortion is wrong and so is this.

video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-513747926833909134

 

[fierysword1920]

I see your still dodging my response. I gave you a non biblical response based on and evolutionary standpoint, yet you disregard it because you have no answer for it. It does not always have to be a complicated arguement, sometimes it is simple common sense, as in where I stated that what do you do with these animals? Let them over populate and become diseased or let them die out? What is your answer?

I know that is what you believe. You believe that God gave you the right to kill animals for food. If God says it is OK then that is enough for you.

It is not enough for me. On what moral principles does your God justify the killing of animals? How is this evidence of a God of Love? How do you know your God is moral. (Saying he is a creator is not an answer there is no reason why creator needs to be moral). By what criteria do you judge him? How do you know he is not demon? So far you have just given me a statement of faith.

VB

 

[jmcrae]

I know that is what you believe. You believe that God gave you the right to kill animals for food. If God says it is OK then that is enough for you.

Yes. And how does God speak? Through nature, and through the Scriptures. When we look at nature, we see that those who live most closely with nature (the Inuit, Aboriginals, First Nations peoples, etc.) have highly developed hunting cultures in which animals are revered for their ability to feed and clothe them, and provide them with the tools that they need. They also make use of horses, cattle, and dogs to assist them in their work, and they observe the behaviour of other animals in order to learn from them - for example, the Blackfoot look to the behaviour of wolves to teach them group hunting techniques.

In the Scriptures, what we see in nature is confirmed - the Book of Genesis tells us that God gave us the animals for food and for clothing and for tools, and to help us with our work.

It is not enough for me. On what moral principles does your God justify the killing of animals?

The survival of the human family.

How is this evidence of a God of Love?

By taking care of our physical needs by giving us the animals, God shows us that He loves us and wants what is best for us.

By what criteria do you judge him?

It is not my role to “judge” God. But I know that God is God because He provides generously for us - He has provided a world in which we can (if we so choose) live productive, harmonious, rich lives.

 

[fierysword1920]

Oh and by the way you libel yourself with your own evil and heretical viewpoints, I simply pointed them out for everyone to see.

I am not interested in winning and people continuing with an inconsistant morality. I am interested in telling the truth. I am interested to convince. I keep saying over and over again that the catholic position on morality is inconsistent. Sure people have tried to answer my questions but I have not been satisfied with the answers. The answers obviously convince you but you must not assume that because they don’tconvince me that I am being perverse.

** I feel disappointed that you have taken the stance you have and have resorted to insults** . You accuse me of polluting this site when all I wish is that catholics extend the same compassion to animals as they do to foetuses. You are not going to go to hell for being a vegetarian. Me asking catholics to refine their compassion by extending it to not killing animals is hardly a polluting idea. I find your response quite perverse.

You must realise that I am challenging the very fundamentals of your beliefs - that the god you worship is good. It is on this basis, that your god is good, that you justify the killing of animals. I would like you to consider the fact that you may be wrong. In fact that you have no way of knowing.

You tell me what the real topic is and how I have sidestepped it. You must however quote me. I am not interested in your insulting conclusions without evidence. If I am in the wrong I will apologise as some of you well know… If you can’t do that, then please have the decency to apologise for libelling me.

VB