Non-Catholic Supernatural Experiences - your take?

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As a Catholic, what are your take on these experiences?
Most are delusions. Some are genuine. Of the genuine ones, most are deceptive, as they are manifestations of the fallen spirit world and come not from God but from demonic beings.

It’s good that these things don’t happen often because the lack of these experiences does to an extent reduce our culpability for our doubts and sins committed in unfaithfulness and make what we do with the little faith we have so much better.

“Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

If a Catholic should at any point see a ghost or any such thing, I believe the prudent thing to do would be to pray for that soul in purgatory. He must not say a single word to the apparition, for it could be demonic.

If it is genuinely a soul in purgatory that God has allowed to appear to you, then you are doing a good deed in praying for that soul.

If it is demonic, the spirit will certainly not want you to turn to God in prayer and will hopefully leave. If you enter into conversation with it, however, it is likely to stay, for it sees an opportunity to deceive you.
 
Most are delusions. Some are genuine. Of the genuine ones, most are deceptive, as they are manifestations of the fallen spirit world and come not from God but from demonic beings.
You haven’t worked at a hospital before, have you?

I’m sure if they were demonic they would hurt or deceive. Not every ghost is a poltergeist.
 
You haven’t worked at a hospital before, have you?

I’m sure if they were demonic they would hurt or deceive. Not every ghost is a poltergeist.
I think we agree. I said I believe “most” are deceptive, not all. Perhaps in a hospital setting, it’s not “most” and maybe “some.” But these experiences occur outside hospital settings too, and I think “most”, in general, are deceptive.
 
I think we agree. I said I believe “most” are deceptive, not all. Perhaps in a hospital setting, it’s not “most” and maybe “some.” But these experiences occur outside hospital settings too, and I think “most”, in general, are deceptive.
On what basis/experience? And apologies.
 
As a non-Christian, I don’t really have a stake in this discussion, but I want to say that I find the responses interesting.

As for supernatural experiences, sometimes I see a black cat out of the corner of my eye. I’ve seen him all over the house. This house used to be a boarding house for students, so I kind of wonder if any of them have owned a cat. Thing is, I also see him upstairs, and the upper floor didn’t exist before dad built it. You would think the cat would only appear in parts of the house that are older.

shrugs It’s entirely possible it’s a trick of the light or a hallucination, I honestly don’t think about it much. It doesn’t try to interact with me or anything (it’s more like a recording than an actual entity, anyways). Maybe someone had a cat who just left a very strong impression on the place.

My opinion, plenty of atheists will say that everyone’s religious experiences are delusions. I don’t see the need to police anyone’s religious experiences, unless, of course, the people you’re seeing in visions are telling you to kill people, we have meds for that sort of thing, you know?
 
I’m curious about peoples opinion on what Sleep Paralysis is? Is it spiritual, or is it a halucination as medical science states. I read descriptions of it and I’ve met people who have experiences that meet most of the criteria, but not all. One person I’ve spoken to mentioned that he was awake for several minutes before it hit.

For those who don’t know what it is:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_Paralysis
I had to post up on seeing this. I have not as yet read the link. But I have suffered from sleep paralysis since a child of 5 and though I still go thru it coupla times a month it no longer holds the utter horror it did for me growing up and even as recently as a coupla years ago. I still suffer from them but I am more times than not break it (wake myself up) before I get too deeply into sleep that I am unable to do so. I have always believed it was bad spirits or demons if u like trying to possess me. And unless youve gone thru it yourself you cannot really imagine the kind of hell on earth it is to have an entity you cant see but you can feel attacking you in your sleep. I am completely aware of my surroundings but unable to more physically (datz the paralysis) but I am struggling against this force intent of doing me harm. Though the attack is spiritual (cos my body aint moving) I can “feel” my spirit being violated and I scream in terror struggling to get away from it. As a youngster I used Jesus name to dispel it once and the attack was so ferocious enough for me to not use His Name for many years after.It was evil Im sure of it. Today I laugh at it.
 
I’ve also had the Virgin Mary appear to me as well as the Infant of Prague. Yes I believe these things happen
What do you think triggered this response of the Blessed Mother? I like to hear what led up to this.

For example, did you ever see a painting/picture of this image, was the Catholic Faith new and you found much attention being focused on it. Were you praying to Our Lady?

Peace
 
What do you think triggered this response of the Blessed Mother? I like to hear what led up to this.

For example, did you ever see a painting/picture of this image, was the Catholic Faith new and you found much attention being focused on it. Were you praying to Our Lady?

Peace
I think it might count as an unapproved private revelation for purposes of this forum.🤷
 
I’m curious about peoples opinion on what Sleep Paralysis is? Is it spiritual, or is it a halucination as medical science states. I read descriptions of it and I’ve met people who have experiences that meet most of the criteria, but not all. One person I’ve spoken to mentioned that he was awake for several minutes before it hit.

For those who don’t know what it is:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_Paralysis
I use to have sleep paralysis episodes regularly afew years ago. They stopped then I had one more around a year and a half ago. They are not demonic attacks. This is my experience

It started happening alittle after I got addicted to illegal street drugs. Several years ago. I would suddenly wake up from sleep and I knew I was awake. I could see and hear but I could not move at all. I use to see different halucinations and even feel myself being choked or sat atop and a great fear and terror would overcome me. I would sense a evil presence. Almost everybody who has posted their experience describe the same things. I was sure it was demonic and sometimes I would pray untill it went away. It always felt so real and I believed that I was being attacked by demons. I believed this for acouple years. Now keep in mind, this was not when I was under the influence of drugs, this would only happen when I had not been doing drugs for days, but was detoxing or even detoxed, but have not caught up on sleep.

Then I stopped doing drugs and got some knowledge on the subject. That is when it clicked to me. I learned we are paralyzed durring our deep sleep so we do not act out what we are dreaming. Sleep paralysis happens when we are in deep sleep to protect us from harming ourself. But we can wake up before it wears off and still be awake yet paralyzed. Why I though I was being attacked by a demon or evil spirit is because I believed (and still do) demons exist. Sombody who does not believe in demons but does believe in aliens, might have thought that they were being abducted or somthing. But I believe evil spirits exist, so that is who I though was messing with me.

I had my last sleep paralysis episode about a year and a half ago. I had a very busy schedule and was not getting very much sleep at all. ** I did not sense evil or get freaked out like before. This time I knew what sleep paralysis was. I knew what was going on, and I knew it was not a supernatural experience of any kind. Good or evil.** It passed and I knew that I needed to get more sleep. Nothing more. 🙂
 
I use to have sleep paralysis episodes regularly afew years ago. They stopped then I had one more around a year and a half ago. They are not demonic attacks. This is my experience

It started happening alittle after I got addicted to illegal street drugs. Several years ago. I would suddenly wake up from sleep and I knew I was awake. I could see and hear but I could not move at all. I use to see different halucinations and even feel myself being choked or sat atop and a great fear and terror would overcome me. I would sense a evil presence. Almost everybody who has posted their experience describe the same things. I was sure it was demonic and sometimes I would pray untill it went away. It always felt so real and I believed that I was being attacked by demons. I believed this for acouple years. Now keep in mind, this was not when I was under the influence of drugs, this would only happen when I had not been doing drugs for days, but was detoxing or even detoxed, but have not caught up on sleep.

Then I stopped doing drugs and got some knowledge on the subject. That is when it clicked to me. I learned we are paralyzed durring our deep sleep so we do not act out what we are dreaming. Sleep paralysis happens when we are in deep sleep to protect us from harming ourself. But we can wake up before it wears off and still be awake yet paralyzed. Why I though I was being attacked by a demon or evil spirit is because I believed (and still do) demons exist. Sombody who does not believe in demons but does believe in aliens, might have thought that they were being abducted or somthing. But I believe evil spirits exist, so that is who I though was messing with me.

I had my last sleep paralysis episode about a year and a half ago. I had a very busy schedule and was not getting very much sleep at all. ** I did not sense evil or get freaked out like before. This time I knew what sleep paralysis was. I knew what was going on, and I knew it was not a supernatural experience of any kind. Good or evil.** It passed and I knew that I needed to get more sleep. Nothing more. 🙂
I) REM Atonia doesn’t effect ones ability to breath or speak; it only affects skeletal muscles. II) It has happened to myself and others while wide awake. III) Those who are suddenly or violently wakened from REM experience nothing like this.
 
Sombody who does not believe in demons but does believe in aliens, might have thought that they were being abducted or somthing. But I believe evil spirits exist, so that is who I though was messing with me.
Your statement is not entirely correct, though I do understand your reasoning.

Twenty years ago, I suffered from sleep paralysis; I had some rather frightening experiences of which I am sure you will understand. I did not experience a sense of evil, though found them frightening nevertheless.

I did learn how to wake up from the sleep paralysis quickly. Towards the end, I did experience seeing eight short non-human forms around my bed. At that time aliens/UAP etc was not of interest to me.

About two years ago, I was having an afternoon nap. I was woken with a presence in the room. I struggled to open my eyes and saw again these short non-human forms in my room, they where the same as in my sleep paralysis experience. What really annoyed me was that every time I focused on one of these beings my eyes slammed shut, this was not through fear but an overwhelming sense of sleepiness. I do not believe this event was sleep paralysis.

Suffice to say I have had diabolical problems that have been sorted out by the church, only for this to take on another form not long after of seeing UAP. This has not just been confined to just myself – other members of the family and friends have seen this phenomena and we do have photographic evidence that has been sent for analysis to a local UAP group for our varification. Our photographs have captured a white cylinder shape UAP, multiple images of metalic/silver and white elliptical and sphere UAP.

We certainly have experienced much more during our waking hours than sleeping hours.
 
I know Matthew 16:15-19 is the basis for the Catholic claim to authority.

I see this passage as primarily speaking of the authority given to the Holy Catholic Church (Catholic meaning the universal visible Church-united in the Sacraments ordained by Christ.)

However, several years ago, I had a very personal experience with this passage in Matthew.

In 2006, my Neurologist referred me to an Oncologist to evaluate a lump on my thyroid. The Oncologist ordered a PET Scan (head to knee scan for cancer.) The test revealed an area of suspicious uptake in the thyroid, and in my right breast–meaning, I could possibly have cancer in two places.

My Oncologist discussed the findings with me, saying he didn’t think I actually had breast cancer, citing “false positives” with PET Scans. He was not really convinced that I had cancer in the thyroid, either–all good news to me. Thyroid biopsies were ordered for further evaluation.

The Oncologist said he didn’t think it was necessary to biopsy the spot on my breast. He really thought it was an inconsequential false positive. Since he didn’t seem concerned about the findings; I really wasn’t that worried, myself. Though, I did begin to pray there would be no cancer in my body–a very logical prayer, given the circumstances.

I went to visit my good friends next door. They are a wonderful retired couple, who treat me more like a daughter, than a neighbor. I will call them Sarah and Abraham–they are, after all, Jewish. I told them about the PET Scan; and I told them the Oncologist didn’t think we needed to biopsy the spot on my breast. They were silent for a moment.

Then Abraham said, they need to cut that area out of the breast. As soon as he spoke these words, my cell phone rang. It was the P.A. at the Oncologist’s office, who told me the doctor decided to biopsy the breast, just as a precaution. I can’t quite explain that moment. It was as if God had anticipated Abraham’s words.

I had the biopsies of both the thyroid and the breast–all came back negative for cancer. The breast tissue was even sent to MD Anderson’s Cancer Center for a second opinion. No evidence of cancer was found.

My doctor did explain there was still a small risk of thyroid cancer, since the biopsies were taken from random areas of the mass, and spots with cancer cells could have been missed. However, the Oncologist said he thought the risk of cancer was very small. Surgery was immediately scheduled, just to be on the safe side.

I continued to pray to God that there would be no cancer in my body–though relieved that all the biopsies were negative.

One evening, I was flipping through the TV channels trying to find something to watch. I came to a religious channel, and was about to move on (I’ve never been a fan of TV religion); but the words of the minister caught me attention. He was talking about praying for things to be “bound up and cast out.”

I recognized the Scripture: Matthew 16: 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Over the next few days; I kept thinking about this passage and the idea of “binding and casting out.” The passage entered my thoughts again and again.

Soon, I began to ask God, “If there is any cancer in my body, please bind it and cast it out,” please “bind it up and cast it out.” The words in this prayer seemed to come from beyond my own logic, or inclinations to prayer.

Soon, I received a phone call from the office of the Pathologist, who had performed the breast and thyroid biopsies. He decided I should have a needle-guided, surgical biopsy of the breast, since he wasn’t quite certain he had clipped the exact spot of suspicious tissue in the breast. This seemed rather odd to me; but I scheduled it, just the same.

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So, I had the needle-guided, surgical biopsy of the breast. This was a little more involved. The second part of the procedure was done under anesthesia. The surgeon was in the recovery room when I woke up. He said everything looked fine, and he didn’t expect Pathology to find any cancer cells. I was relieved.

One week later, I had a Total Thyroidectomy. When I was discharged from the hospital, the pathology reports for both the breast and the thyroid were pending.

A few days later, I returned to see the Surgeon who performed the surgical breast biopsy. To my utter shock, and the surgeon’ s as well, the pathology report revealed breast cancer.

One week after the total thyroidectomy, I had a lumpectomy of the right breast, removing a wider area of tissue, in case there were any cancer cells remaining—three surgeries, in three weeks (2 surgeries last part of 12/06 & 1 in 01/07.) Praise God, the pathology report showed “clean margins”—no cancer in the surrounding breast tissue.

Shortly after the lumpectomy of the breast, I returned for a follow-up visit to see the surgeon who performed the thyroidectomy. Having just received the news about breast cancer, I was really nervous sitting in that waiting room, not knowing what news the surgeon would give me regarding the thyroid pathology. Praise God, no cancer cells were found in the Thyroid.

Several weeks passed, and slowly I began to regain my strength–as my body began to heal from three surgeries in three weeks. I praised God, again and again, for the early detection of breast cancer, and for sparing me the agony of a mastectomy and chemotherapy. I would only need 25 radiation treatments (5 weeks.) I told my family and friends, I was probably the happiest person with breast cancer, you could ever meet.

Though I continued to praise God for all He had done for me, I had forgotten the words of my prayers to “bind and cast out” any cancer in my body.

Then one morning, in those first few moments upon awakening, when the voices of the world are still silent, I heard the words of my prayer repeated, “please bind the cancer, and cast it out.”

I realized for the first time, since my surgeries, that the cancer had been “bound.” I had Ductal Carcinoma In Situ, which is a localized cluster of cancer cells that have not penetrated the duct walls into the surrounding tissue. The cancer had not spread beyond the place where it originally developed. The cancer was literally “bound in the duct.”

As I thought of the rest of my prayer, asking that any “cancer be cast out”; I heard these words, “That can be done with a surgeon’s knife, you know.” I praised God with a joyous heart.

I knew, without a doubt, that hearing the words of the “T.V. minister,” who encouraged Christians to pray the words of Matthew 16:19, was not a coincidence.

Today, I could not tell you the name of the TV minister or even his religious affiliation. However, the words in The Gospel of Matthew, will be forever in my heart.

Not only had the prayer been given to me, it had also been answered. The cancer was gone; it was, indeed, “bound and cast out”; and I had been healed.

Scripture tells us that the Spirit helps us in our weakness, and intercedes according to the will of God, when we do not know what to pray as we ought:

Romans 8:26-27 (ESV): 26 Likewise the Spirit helps us in our weakness. For we do not know what to pray for as we ought, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groanings too deep for words. 27 And he who searches hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.

It has been five years, since I completed the treatment for breast cancer. I remain cancer free.

I think about this experience, often. I’m sure it will always be with me. I realized, by the Spirit providing the words to pray—that “the cancer be bound and cast out;” and then answering the prayer by literally binding the cancer in the duct and casting it out with the surgeon’s knife; God’s Name was glorified in so many ways.

The power of God’s Word was demonstrated, as the Scripture came alive, through the Holy Spirit. I realized that just as God is infinite, the power to accomplish His purpose through Holy Scripture must surely be infinite, as well.

Hebrews 4:12 tells us that the “Word of God is living and active.” This experience opened my eyes to this truth.

Hebrews 4:12-13 (ESV): 12For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 13And no creature is hidden from his sight, but all are naked and exposed to the eyes of him to whom we must give account.

May God’s Name be Glorified, in the miracles He performs in our lives. May we never attempt to impose limits on God’s use of His Holy Word.

Peace and blessings,
Anna
 
Anna, beautiful and inspiring… thank you for sharing.

All Glory be to God!
 
I) REM Atonia doesn’t effect ones ability to breath or speak; it only affects skeletal muscles. II) It has happened to myself and others while wide awake. III) Those who are suddenly or violently wakened from REM experience nothing like this.
  1. Ok, but a overwhelming sense of panic and terror might very well affect your ability to breath and or speak. Also, how would a demon being present be able to affect your ability to breath or talk unless he is controlling you? That would mean that you are possessed wouldnt it?
  2. If you were already wide awake (lets say you had not been asleep for several hours) and out of the blue you cant move or talk and think you are seeing things that should not be, then that is not sleep paralysis. And if that is the case, that is not what im talking about. That is somthing completely different than what I am talking about though I also have experienced somthing similar, but not quite like that.
  3. Those who are suddenly or violently wakened from rem experience nothing like what? If you mean, not being able to speak or breath, nope, it has happened to me too. I just relized what I though was a demonic attack was actully all in my mind. As far as not being able to talk or breath, there could be dozens of other explanations more likely than just “it was a demon”. I realized I just jumped to that conclusion because I had no other explination at the time, which I think a lot of people do. When I got educated on the subject, and my last episode happened, I was still paralyzed, but without the terror and “sensing” evil.
Though maybe you have had some kind of supernatural experience. Im not saying that is not possible. I just dont think so, based on my similar experiences. Hey, I admit I could be wrong though. So please dont take offence to anything I said. I am not a scientist, and I could be wrong, I frequently am.🙂

(Also for the record, im not saying demons do not exist. I know they do, because there are stories in the bible of our savior Jesus casting them out of people)
 
  1. Ok, but a overwhelming sense of panic and terror might very well affect your ability to breath and or speak. Also, how would a demon being present be able to affect your ability to breath or talk unless he is controlling you? That would mean that you are possessed wouldnt it?
There is a difference between the loss of breath caused by panic and that caused by something crushing the life out of you by physical force. In my experience and those I’ve talked to and read of it was the latter and not the former. This in and of itself seems to explain the difficulty you mention, for it means that the demon is not controlling you in bodily obsession but rather by an outward physical attack.
  1. If you were already wide awake (lets say you had not been asleep for several hours) and out of the blue you cant move or talk and think you are seeing things that should not be, then that is not sleep paralysis. And if that is the case, that is not what im talking about. That is somthing completely different than what I am talking about though I also have experienced somthing similar, but not quite like that.
It is exactly like “sleep paralysis” except while awake.
  1. Those who are suddenly or violently wakened from rem experience nothing like what? If you mean, not being able to speak or breath, nope, it has happened to me too.
I mean that if someone is in REM sleep and I kick the chair out from under him dropping him into a pool of water like in the movie Inception he might be many things; soaked, disoriented, angry, but not paralyzed. If he is suffocating it won’t be because some alien force is crushing the life out of him but because he has inhaled water. He won’t see a malevolent figure unless I, the person who woke him counts.
I just relized what I though was a demonic attack was actully all in my mind. As far as not being able to talk or breath, there could be dozens of other explanations more likely than just “it was a demon”…
As I said earlier I won’t force the view that it was demonic, but I should point out that drug use and the lifestyles associated with it are means by which one can invite demons into your life beyond ordinary temptation.
Though maybe you have had some kind of supernatural experience. Im not saying that is not possible. I just dont think so, based on my similar experiences. Hey, I admit I could be wrong though. So please dont take offence to anything I said. I am not a scientist, and I could be wrong, I frequently am.🙂
🙂 Don’t worry no offense taken. I only am worried that if people are closed to the barest possibility of preternatural causes, then they might put a person in an already difficult spiritual situation to think themselves insane, or to feel they can’t seek help because others might think them insane.

It might help if you know a bit of why I believe my case to have been demonic. A family member of mine had gotten heavily involved with the occult, he described himself as a “wizard”. Everyone in the family began to experience strange occurrences; at one point every window and door in the house would open and then slam shut at the same time every day. There was one room where if you walked past it you would see clear as day a person sitting in the chair, but as you would stop and look back the chair would be empty, and no one knew that everyone in the house had the exact same experience until we started comparing notes after the house was destroyed in Hurricane Katrina. One of my brothers would see and hear something evil pacing (The word he used was stalking) the hall outside our room every night. Another brother would see white menacing faces peering through the windows at him. Eventually our “wizard” was himself possessed, and my mother would go to 3 AM healing masses every night to pray for his deliverance. At one point her back was hurting so badly from kneeling in church that she prayed to God saying that she would have to stop going to that mass if the pain kept up; immediately she felt hands on her spine realign it and the pain went away for months. Eventually the “wizard” caught meningitis from a mosquito, and spent three years in bed with no more mental capacity than an infant. After he recovered, his memories from before his illness were few and confused, and while I have heard him talk of magic since, I have never seen him cast a spell nor any of his other occult practices which he used to do in the living room plain as day without regard to those around him.

Everyone in this family has personally experienced things that are undeniably preternatural. All that I can argue for conclusively is that more research and tests must be done before “sleep paralysis” can be placed in the medical realm, but even if it were it would not change one iota of the other experiences me and my family and our house guests and hosts have gone through in multiple houses in multiple states.
(Also for the record, im not saying demons do not exist. I know they do, because there are stories in the bible of our savior Jesus casting them out of people)
I never thought for a minute that you were. 🙂 I was only pointing out that to a positivist medical establishment, it would have to be some form of illness or sleep disorder. After all when all you have is a hammer everything looks like a nail. Remember anyone going through such difficulties, that God is more powerful than any demon; if you call out to him in faith he will protect you, and if you pray for deliverance, like the widow crying out to the unjust judge, he will not deny you for long.

Pax te cum.
Sincerely,
Iggy.
 
Your statement is not entirely correct, though I do understand your reasoning.

Twenty years ago, I suffered from sleep paralysis; I had some rather frightening experiences of which I am sure you will understand. I did not experience a sense of evil, though found them frightening nevertheless.

I did learn how to wake up from the sleep paralysis quickly. Towards the end, I did experience seeing eight short non-human forms around my bed. At that time aliens/UAP etc was not of interest to me.

About two years ago, I was having an afternoon nap. I was woken with a presence in the room. I struggled to open my eyes and saw again these short non-human forms in my room, they where the same as in my sleep paralysis experience. What really annoyed me was that every time I focused on one of these beings my eyes slammed shut, this was not through fear but an overwhelming sense of sleepiness. I do not believe this event was sleep paralysis.

Suffice to say I have had diabolical problems that have been sorted out by the church, only for this to take on another form not long after of seeing UAP. This has not just been confined to just myself – other members of the family and friends have seen this phenomena and we do have photographic evidence that has been sent for analysis to a local UAP group for our varification. Our photographs have captured a white cylinder shape UAP, multiple images of metalic/silver and white elliptical and sphere UAP.

We certainly have experienced much more during our waking hours than sleeping hours.
What is UAP?
 
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