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mark_a
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Which forbid artificial birth control?
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cargopilot
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I think we’re it, dude.
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chb03c
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yes we are the only Christian denomination that forbids artifial-birth control
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DJgang
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Okay guys, I’m going to throw a “spinner” in here… The Catholic church may be the only church with “written” instructions to forbid artificial birth control, but I have come across a few non-denomational people who will not use birth control. Most have large families and here’s the reason they have personally given me in so many words…it is their DUTY to have many children in order to “populate” our world with more Christians.
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mark_a
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No others are worried about the pill and the spontaneous abortions it can cause?
Not even the Orthodox???
Not even the Orthodox???
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cargopilot
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Nope. Everybody else thinks it’s great.
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MaryB23
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I would be willing to bet (at least I would hope so) that a lot of pro-life people that are on the pill don’t really realize it could be an abortifacient.
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Philena
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Some people outside of the Church don’t practice ABC, but they are few and far between. There was a family in my Lutheran church that had 11 children. Unfortunately, they were looked upon as freaks.
Does anyone know if the Mormon church forbids ABC? I know they encourage large families, but I’ve never met any Mormon family that practices NFP.
Does anyone know if the Mormon church forbids ABC? I know they encourage large families, but I’ve never met any Mormon family that practices NFP.
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Ahimsa
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Many practitioners of the Dharmic religions of India (e.g., Hinduism) avoid artificial birth control (as well as abortion, obviously) for reasons similar to those of Catholics.
Check out the teachings of Meher Baba, and the Hare Krishnas:
From Meher Baba:
The purely physical means which are generally advocated by the supporters of birth control are most objectionable from the spiritual point of view. Although the physical means of birth control are advocated on humanitarian grounds, they are almost always used by the generality of people to serve their own selfish ends and to avoid the responsibility of bearing and bringing up children.
The Hare Krishnas:
Srimad Bhagavatam 3.30.22, purport: While we live in the gross * body, such activities of sense gratification are encouraged even by modern government regulations. In every state all over the world, such activities are encouraged by the government in the form of birth control. Women are supplied pills, and they are allowed to go to a clinical laboratory to get assistance for abortions. This is going on as a result of sense gratification. Actually sex life is meant for begetting a good child, but because people have no control over the senses and there is no institution to train them to control the senses, the poor fellows fall victim to the criminal offenses of sense gratification, and they are punished after death as described in these pages of Srimad-Bhagavatam.*
Check out the teachings of Meher Baba, and the Hare Krishnas:
From Meher Baba:
The purely physical means which are generally advocated by the supporters of birth control are most objectionable from the spiritual point of view. Although the physical means of birth control are advocated on humanitarian grounds, they are almost always used by the generality of people to serve their own selfish ends and to avoid the responsibility of bearing and bringing up children.
The Hare Krishnas:
Srimad Bhagavatam 3.30.22, purport: While we live in the gross * body, such activities of sense gratification are encouraged even by modern government regulations. In every state all over the world, such activities are encouraged by the government in the form of birth control. Women are supplied pills, and they are allowed to go to a clinical laboratory to get assistance for abortions. This is going on as a result of sense gratification. Actually sex life is meant for begetting a good child, but because people have no control over the senses and there is no institution to train them to control the senses, the poor fellows fall victim to the criminal offenses of sense gratification, and they are punished after death as described in these pages of Srimad-Bhagavatam.*
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carol_marie
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There are only “some people” INSIDE the Chruch that don’t practice ABC as well. I recently heard it said on Catholic radio that a much larger percentage of Catholics in their child bearing years use ABC than not… which would make us few & far between as well.
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DJgang
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You’ve got it right! That information is NOT given to people by doctors. Honestly, I didn’t know about the abortifacient properties of the pil until a little over a year ago. IMO, it’s slowly coming to the surface is why you are seeing so many people, Catholic and non-Catholic give them up.
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mark_a
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Me neither. I heard it on Catholic radio.
Do all ovulation prevention pills have the “plan b” abortificant?
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DJgang
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mark a:
I mourn the children that I may have lost to BCPs years ago. I look back on BCP days and remember some months that were worse than others. It’s rather depressing to think that may have been what was occuring. I have asked God to forgive me numerous times.
Mark - from what I have been reading, the BCP (any kind) only tries to suppress ovulation…if fertilization occurs, implantation will less likely happen because the uterine wall is not “ready” for a baby. So yes, Plan B takes over.
I mourn the children that I may have lost to BCPs years ago. I look back on BCP days and remember some months that were worse than others. It’s rather depressing to think that may have been what was occuring. I have asked God to forgive me numerous times.
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mellysue
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From what I know, no denomination officially forbids birth control in any form.
I know that NFP is making a big come-back among Calvinist-leaning churches. I’ve never heard of any church (Outside RC) speaking out against any form of birth control except emergency contraception. (On the grounds that it is abortive). Some churches are learning that the pill/patch has possible abortive traits and are backing off from supporting that so much, and instead promoting barrier or abstinance methods.
Less mainstream denominations such as Menonite or Amish might ban BC but I’m not sure.
I know that NFP is making a big come-back among Calvinist-leaning churches. I’ve never heard of any church (Outside RC) speaking out against any form of birth control except emergency contraception. (On the grounds that it is abortive). Some churches are learning that the pill/patch has possible abortive traits and are backing off from supporting that so much, and instead promoting barrier or abstinance methods.
Less mainstream denominations such as Menonite or Amish might ban BC but I’m not sure.
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John666
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mark a:
Thanks for the thread.
God Bless,
Joe
Hoping someone can affirm this or prove otherwise … I believe Muslims forbid ABC.
Thanks for the thread.
God Bless,
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siamesecat
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I dont think so…but I’m going on the basis that my devoutly Muslim friend’s family has 3 children, very spaced apart. I could be wrong though.
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mark_a
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Thanks for this info. I had assumed that the pill had a “drug A” to prevent ovulation and a “drug B” to cause spontanious abortion if “drug A” failed.
Which is six of one or half a dozen of the other. It’s nice to have the facts straight.
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stillsmallvoice
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Hi all!
Orthodox Judaism frowns on contraception. It is not generally permitted unless there is some overriding health concern (i.e. pregnancy would place the mother’s mental or physical health and/or life at risk); non-barrier methods (IUD, the pill, etc.) are acceptable in such cases (barrier methods are not). An orthodox Jewish couple wishing to use birth control, for whatever reason, would have to ask their LOR (Local Orthodox Rabbi) for a ruling. There are grounds for leniency (vis-a-vis a ruling on whether or not a given couple may use birth control) in cases unrelated to maternal health if the LOR is satisfied that the couple are committed to having children or if they already have children and wish/need to space births (or if having additional children would place undue hardship on the family). Since sexual relations outside of marriage is prohibited in (orthodox) Judaism, the use of birth control by unmarried individuals is not an issue. (The flipside of this is that orthodox Judaism has always encouraged early marriage.)
See http://www.jewishwomenshealth.org/Contraception.php?topic=1 for details.
Be well!
ssv
Orthodox Judaism frowns on contraception. It is not generally permitted unless there is some overriding health concern (i.e. pregnancy would place the mother’s mental or physical health and/or life at risk); non-barrier methods (IUD, the pill, etc.) are acceptable in such cases (barrier methods are not). An orthodox Jewish couple wishing to use birth control, for whatever reason, would have to ask their LOR (Local Orthodox Rabbi) for a ruling. There are grounds for leniency (vis-a-vis a ruling on whether or not a given couple may use birth control) in cases unrelated to maternal health if the LOR is satisfied that the couple are committed to having children or if they already have children and wish/need to space births (or if having additional children would place undue hardship on the family). Since sexual relations outside of marriage is prohibited in (orthodox) Judaism, the use of birth control by unmarried individuals is not an issue. (The flipside of this is that orthodox Judaism has always encouraged early marriage.)
See http://www.jewishwomenshealth.org/Contraception.php?topic=1 for details.
Be well!
ssv
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