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i would like to know if non Catholics have beliefs or denials of the True faith that was considered heresies in the early days of Christianity?

you know beliefs like those of iconoclasts, Nestorianism, Pelagianism, Arianism, Jansenism, and many others.

discussing with respect to what others believe.

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“But he who does the truth comes to the light that his deeds may be made manifest, for they have been performed in GOD”, Jn 3:21.

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Well, when it comes to “the early church”. it’s not exactly an even playing field.

Iconoclasm v. Iconodulism for example…for a long time the former was the majority position while the latter was fighting for its life. At other times Arianism or some species of Modalism seemed to be gaining the upper hand (thus “Athanasius Contra Mundum”).

Eventually, both Iconodulism and Trinitarianism won out but their having done so doesn’t necessarily mean that they are right, just that they are “orthodox”.

Now, I happen to accept the Trinitarian view but mainly because it is the only way that God as He reveals Himself in Scripture “makes sense” if that makes sense. I am gratified that the church has, historically agreed with me.

As for iconoclasm, I have no problem with images of Christ and so on, I have some difficulty with their uses in worship but it’s not a major issue except that I am sometimes bothered by the mental gymnastics we have to undergo to justify them; e.g. “We’re not worshiping the image, we are “reverencing” what the image represents” or “We consider the icon ti be a window into the life of God, through which we see Him and He blesses us” etc.) Similar things may be said by pagans of their idols. The better educated ancient Greeks didn’t worship statues anymore than Catholics do today…

Anyhow, No Protestant church espouses Nestorianism though a great many have trouble with the idea of the Theotokos.

Many Reformed are practical iconoclasts, purely speaking, but again, I don’t think Iconoclasm is heresy.

Many Evangelicals are practical Pelagians, but then, many Catholics are as well. No Protestant church officially endorses the view however.

Jansenism in its milder forms ought not to have been condemned as heresy by the church. It can be argued that Jansenism is the single most important social reason that Calvinism did not overtake the French church. At any rate, at it’s heart it’s just Augustinianism fully, though occasionally unskillfully, realized. It’s condemnation probably had more to do with the French monarchy’s ideas of divine right and the church’s terror of Calvin.

Anyway, I don’t know that any Protestant churches espouse it though many do espouse the Febronianism that descended ideologically from it, at least, again, practically and inasmuch as it represents a sort of Erastianism.
 
Which non-Catholics?

isn’t that like asking if non-Canadians believe something?
 
wisdomseeker said:
i would like to know if non Catholics have beliefs or denials of the True faith that was considered heresies in the early days of Christianity?

you know beliefs like those of iconoclasts, Nestorianism, Pelagianism, Arianism, Jansenism, and many others.

discussing with respect to what others believe.

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“But he who does the truth comes to the light that his deeds may be made manifest, for they have been performed in GOD”, Jn 3:21.

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There must have been a lot on demon possession . Because it was a big thing then and still is today in the many Churches I was part of that was a big issue you know a kind of power thing. The Catholic Church is so straight about it. The other Churches scared the heck out of me the things they did and believed.
here is dictionary deff;
possess ; own, have,control,influence,control by evil spirits( see even thorndike taught it),😛 , thing possessed, property
 
Steadfast said:
Well, when it comes to “the early church”. it’s not exactly an even playing field.

Iconoclasm v. Iconodulism for example…for a long time the former was the majority position while the latter was fighting for its life. At other times Arianism or some species of Modalism seemed to be gaining the upper hand (thus “Athanasius Contra Mundum”).

Eventually, both Iconodulism and Trinitarianism won out but their having done so doesn’t necessarily mean that they are right, just that they are “orthodox”.

Now, I happen to accept the Trinitarian view but mainly because it is the only way that God as He reveals Himself in Scripture “makes sense” if that makes sense. I am gratified that the church has, historically agreed with me.

As for iconoclasm, I have no problem with images of Christ and so on, I have some difficulty with their uses in worship but it’s not a major issue except that I am sometimes bothered by the mental gymnastics we have to undergo to justify them; e.g. “We’re not worshiping the image, we are “reverencing” what the image represents” or “We consider the icon ti be a window into the life of God, through which we see Him and He blesses us” etc.) Similar things may be said by pagans of their idols. The better educated ancient Greeks didn’t worship statues anymore than Catholics do today…

Anyhow, No Protestant church espouses Nestorianism though a great many have trouble with the idea of the Theotokos.

Many Reformed are practical iconoclasts, purely speaking, but again, I don’t think Iconoclasm is heresy.

Many Evangelicals are practical Pelagians, but then, many Catholics are as well. No Protestant church officially endorses the view however.

Jansenism in its milder forms ought not to have been condemned as heresy by the church. It can be argued that Jansenism is the single most important social reason that Calvinism did not overtake the French church. At any rate, at it’s heart it’s just Augustinianism fully, though occasionally unskillfully, realized. It’s condemnation probably had more to do with the French monarchy’s ideas of divine right and the church’s terror of Calvin.

Anyway, I don’t know that any Protestant churches espouse it though many do espouse the Febronianism that descended ideologically from it, at least, again, practically and inasmuch as it represents a sort of Erastianism.
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so you said. there are protestants beliefs that is the same as of hereticals movements that arose during early age of the Church.

:byzsoc: :bowdown:
 
Through_Him said:
There must have been a lot on demon possession . Because it was a big thing then and still is today in the many Churches I was part of that was a big issue you know a kind of power thing. The Catholic Church is so straight about it. The other Churches scared the heck out of me the things they did and believed.
here is dictionary deff;
possess ; own, have,control,influence,control by evil spirits( see even thorndike taught it),😛 , thing possessed, property
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i saw something like that one time and also scared the lights out of me. the pastor himself had a scary looking. he told to deem the lights, the room was almost dark and told us to drink a small cup of water. it was almost like people got into this mood with lots of repetition of words. he told the people to look at their hands. some people was supposed to have silver power on their hands and some would have oil appearing in their hands. it was almost like magic type of thing… it was the assembly of God congregation…

Peace onto you.
 
wisdomseeker said:
i saw something like that one time and also scared the lights out of me. the pastor himself had a scary looking. he told to deem the lights, the room was almost dark and told us to drink a small cup of water. it was almost like people got into this mood with lots of repetition of words. he told the people to look at their hands. some people was supposed to have silver power on their hands and some would have oil appearing in their hands. it was almost like magic type of thing… it was the assembly of God congregation…

Peace onto you.
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I think some carry the “exalted spiritual authority” a bit too far. And they claim it is done in ‘spiritual warfare’. It makes people into being so heavenly minded they are not earthly good. The Catholic Church wants to make sure about any medical problems that might be the cause of someones illness before venturing into the demonic.
 
Through_Him said:
I think some carry the “exalted spiritual authority” a bit too far. And they claim it is done in ‘spiritual warfare’. It makes people into being so heavenly minded they are not earthly good. The Catholic Church wants to make sure about any medical problems that might be the cause of someones illness before venturing into the demonic.
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this is true.

Amen.
 
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