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Horton
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Why? Does the LDS church require consent of both?
Non-Catholics: If you could change anything (NOT THEOLOGICAL) about the Catholic Church what would it be?
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peter26
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I can just imagine this
Teenager: Bless me Father for I have sinned.
Priest: Do you have a sacrament waiver form?
What would happen if the minor went behind the screen to get around this?
Teenager: Bless me Father for I have sinned.
Priest: Do you have a sacrament waiver form?
What would happen if the minor went behind the screen to get around this?
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Horton
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I get this may be an issue in some places. I’ve only belonged to two parishes but in both non-Catholic spouses are welcomed and part of the community. I know one non-Catholic husband is part of the building committee.
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Padres1969
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If I could change one thing as a non-Catholic, it would be for the Catholic Church to re-institute a means to formally leave/defect from the Catholic Church. Without a means of formal defection the RCC has left congregants quite the rigmarole to go through to leave through alternative means like notorious defection. Probably not the type of answer a Catholic would be looking for in terms of “improving” the faith. But it is a concern that is important to some.
With regard to the RCC changing things about itself that would IMO “improve” the church, I’d definitely work on being more welcoming to guests, lapsed Catholics, etc… It does tend to be one of the things that is most striking between Catholic mass and many other religions services that I’ve found. It’s a rare Catholic church in my experience that has a welcome table or something similar. And subsidiary activities after the mass at the Catholic Churches I’ve attended have been few and far between.
With regard to the RCC changing things about itself that would IMO “improve” the church, I’d definitely work on being more welcoming to guests, lapsed Catholics, etc… It does tend to be one of the things that is most striking between Catholic mass and many other religions services that I’ve found. It’s a rare Catholic church in my experience that has a welcome table or something similar. And subsidiary activities after the mass at the Catholic Churches I’ve attended have been few and far between.
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ComplineSanFran
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I’m a scholar. I read the scholarship.
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TC3033
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Maybe we just didn’t “luck out”. The couple Parrish’s we’ve been to, it’s pretty obvious. We had actually left the current Parrish about 12 years ago due to this, and came back after that Father was gone.
We talked and both agree that finding some practice to include non-Catholic spouses/visitors/etc… would strengthen the Catholic Church and agree that in many mixed marriage situations the family as a whole leaves or doesn’t practice as much since one spouse can’t really be part of the Church.
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SyroMalankara
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The Syriac Orthodox Church in the Middle East and diaspora (excluding India) regularly consecrates (“ordains” in the minor sense to use another term) women to the 1st step of deaconess to sing in the choir. The other higher steps are only open to nuns. These women are bound to observe the hours and make an oath to remain loyal to the Patriarch, the Holy Synod and the Church.
I think the Latin Rite Carthusian full abbotesses still retain some blessing to deaconess (with the right to approach the altar) but they are cloistered, and make an oath to the Pope, the Church, and their superiors.
That’s about it.
I think the Latin Rite Carthusian full abbotesses still retain some blessing to deaconess (with the right to approach the altar) but they are cloistered, and make an oath to the Pope, the Church, and their superiors.
That’s about it.
A vast number of things I would have wanted to see changed are changed as a result of Vatican II. Reception of both the body and blood in the sacrament. The mass in the vernacular. Just to name two.
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Memaw
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Tell us more, I haven’t the slightest idea what you mean!! God Bless, Memaw
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ComplineSanFran
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The history of women in the diaconate is really not part of this thread. Perhaps you would like to open a new one on the topic.
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Peter_J
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I understand the confusion that the aforementioned change caused, but the confusion really stems from the old policy, not the current policy.
If someone was in the Catholic Church and then left it, then he/she is an ex-Catholic (not a Catholic or a “never-been-Catholic”). Making a formal statement does not change that.
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Nixbits
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Peter J:
At what point does the person become an ex-Catholic? What constitutes leaving the Church? These are the indeterminate situations that a formal process could address.
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Nixbits
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So did I in my non-Catholic secondary school, but that’s not relevant to the suggestion I made.
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EasterJoy
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I knew one so welcome that they asked him to be on the parish council. He went to Mass every week with his family, helped out at the parish events when the family did, and the other parishioners never noticed that he never went to communion. They didn’t even realize he wasn’t Catholic.
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EasterJoy
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Should we teach our children about all the different countries in the world and then when they turn 15 years old let them decide whether or not to accept their natural citizenship, too? If they renounce citizenship in the US of A, should we force them to become citizens of some other country, or just let them wander as citizens of nowhere?
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EasterJoy
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Just out of curiosity…why are you asking this question? Are you expecting some particular answer?
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Gorgias
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Deacon Jeff did a good job of presenting the salient info. Those who want to promote ordination for women, though, like to claim that, in the early church, there were ordained female deacons (pointing to a Latin feminine version of the word ‘deacon’ that referred to women who helped at baptisms) to bolster their case that women should begin to be allowed to be ordained in the Catholic Church.ComplineSanFran:
Tell us more, I haven’t the slightest idea what you mean!! God Bless, Memaw
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Gorgias
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I think it’s reflective of a difference in perspective, don’t you? From the Catholic perspective, a person who leaves the Church is never an ‘ex-Catholic’; a ‘non-practicing Catholic’, perhaps, but “once a Catholic, always a Catholic.” That’s not a terribly comforting thing to hear, I suppose, for someone who wants to disassociate himself from the Church, but it points to an important fact: anyone who leaves is always welcome to return. There’s no such thing as burning one’s bridges so completely that he cannot return to the Church.
So, one could simply leave; but there’s no need (from the perspective of the Church) to leave formally or procedurally…
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Peter_J
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I would file this question under either “legalism” or “busibodyism”. Granted I’ve never been much of a scholastic – perhaps someone else here will be interested in it, assuming they have enough time after discussing angels dancing on the head of a pin.
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TC3033
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I guess he must be a lucky one then, at one of the Parrish’s that we went to they noted the non-Catholic spouses in the directory/communication with asterisks, etc… and not really how our current one seems to operate.
My wife and I are both in agreement and in today’s day and age of the more common mixed marriage, it would go a long way if there was any way that the Catholic Church passed some sort of olive branch to make the non-Catholic spouses feel more welcome or more part of the Church/service.
If I could change something, that is what it’d be. Now granted, it sounds like I/we haven’t exactly had the best of luck with Parrish’s and their beliefs/regards of non-Catholics either.
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