wWell, I suppose technically they are but they are very much separated because of the disobedience of the few they began to following 500 years ago. Not their fault really but let us pray the Holy Spirit will continue to enlighten their minds to the full Truth of the Apostolic Church,
Peace, CarlanI’d guess that most of the Christians you describe use catholic in the same way they interpret the lower case “c” “catholic” in the Nicene creed.
The early Lutheran reformers did. And evangelical Catholic is a term Lutherans such as myself often use. Honestly, however, there has been 490 years of division between Lutherans and Catholics, and a significant amount of that time has seen, er, not the best of relations between us. So, it isn’t surprising that “catholic” fell into rare usage.
Frankly, I don’t think it would be up to the pastor, necessarily, in Lutheranism. But if my parish and synod wanted to use the name Evangelical Catholic Church - Missouri Synod, it would be fine by me.
I’ve experienced that. It knocks them for a loop, they haven’t any idea what you are talking about before 500years ago.Some quickly tell you that they don’t need it,they have all they want or need. Conversation closed.I’d guess that most of the Christians you describe use catholic in the same way they interpret the lower case “c” “catholic” in the Nicene creed.
If you want to see them backpedal, tell the closest Baptist that they are catholic!
Peace, CarlanYes, I encourage all Catholics to say this Daily Offering (from the Pieta Prayer Book):wWell, I suppose technically they are but they are very much separated because of the disobedience of the few they began to following 500 years ago. Not their fault really but let us pray the Holy Spirit will continue to enlighten their minds to the full Truth of the Apostolic Church,
Very good, thank you,Peace, Carlan
I, like Jon, consider myself to be an evangelical catholic. In my calling as a pastor, that can lead to some interesting situations, e.g., having a few members (or former members) of my congregation accuse me of trying to lead them to Rome. The word “catholic” still raises the hackles of some who still seem to live in the 16th century, at least theologically.
Some do.The Old Catholic Churches are still around, and there is a scattering of independent Catholic Churches (upper-case C) not in communion with Rome.
Gary, why do you believe the leaders of the Catholic church started referring to their church as catholic?
The early Lutheran reformers, after their departure from the CC, still considered themselves part of the CC, or a part of the reformed CC?
Sure, but by inserting the word evangelical, a clear distinction is made.
Thanks Jon; take your time; no rush. Some parts of Zechariah 14 are quite inscrutable.
I don’t know if they made such a distinction. They may have. But the Augsburg Confession claerly states their intention to remain part of the Church Catholic. Follwoing that, one might be able to argue that some differences in doctrine undermined that contention.
Yes, as they were no longer in communion with the Bishop of Rome, and the same could be said for Old Catholics, PNCC, etc.
Great questions Joe!
I’d guess that most of the Christians you describe use catholic in the same way they interpret the lower case “c” “catholic” in the Nicene creed.
If you want to see them backpedal, tell the closest Baptist that they are catholic!
Yall don’t seem to be overly fond of Baptists, but I swear we’re nice people. There is no need to be petty and try and trip us up. We just happen have no use for latin or greek words in our church names since our services are never in latin or greek. You shouldn’t be surprised that a Baptist doesn’t know what you mean when you use the word catholic with a little c. Since we don’t use latin words, it’s hardly realistic to expect us to know the definitions of them. It’d be the same as if I expected someone who was not familiar with advanced mathematics to know the definition of a Lagrangian outside of it referencing the mathematician Joseph-Louis Lagrange.I’ve experienced that. It knocks them for a loop, they haven’t any idea what you are talking about before 500years ago.Some quickly tell you that they don’t need it,they have all they want or need. Conversation closed.
Your services were never in Greek or Latin because Baptist history begins in the 17th century. In the first century, Greek was spoken; then, with the spread of the Roman Empire, the universal language became Latin. So the Mass was/is in both Greek and Latin.
That really isn’t so George, I live in the Bible belt,and our town of about 50,000 has a Baptist Church on a great many corners, so I have many Baptist neighbors, and I haven’t met a mean one yet
You know, of all the people I’m in conversation with about faith, and about Catholicism, the few Baptists among them seem to have the easiest time comprehending what the Church is about and why, and are amenable to the sacraments and other aspects to a much larger degree than say…fundamentalists or AOGs, etc…I also notice that these men are among the kindest and most loving non-Catholic Christians I know, not that every baptist could be so characterized, by any means, but apparently, some denominations of Baptists are receiving a different kind of preaching. It suppose it bears noting that these are Appalachian and Midwesterners rather than Southern…I’d guess that most of the Christians you describe use catholic in the same way they interpret the lower case “c” “catholic” in the Nicene creed.
If you want to see them backpedal, tell the closest Baptist that they are catholic!