Fortunetly for Protestants, no matter what an individual faith group thinks, they don’t have the real presense of the Lord in their “Lords Supper” by and large. As for the minority of Lutheran Priests that have validly recognized holy orders, I can’t say. I would say it depends upon the doctrine they accept, one would presume one in communion with Rome.
Please clarify in what you are saying in light of 1 Cor 11.
The reason why you’re guilty is because the “bread and wine” is in fact the body and blood of Christ, at least when properly consecrated by a validly ordained preist it is. You won’t find this in your Church, since it was thrown out the window by your faith tradition. Truely, what you have is mearly a symbol of Christs blood and Blood.
There are probably a variety of reasons, and to some extent it will depend on the Eucharistic theology of the group they belong to.So often in Catholic churches, the discussion can get to the idea of how to remind Non-Catholics that they are not to receive the Holy Communion that we share in our Mass
If we have a guest, and they want to go up, are we being ‘offensive’ if we say ‘you can’t go’?Or should we try to invite others who may not be Catholic so that they may become in communion with us by way of the Eucharist.
(Let me clear something up:I am TOTALLY in in favor of Non-Catholics receiving the Holy Communion, no matter their age or religion. If you have not received the SACRAMENT of the FIRST HOLY COMMUNION, imo, you should not receive)
Some non-Catholics attend Catholic Mass on a regular basis - at least during the holidays when visiting Catholic relatives.
But why would a Non-Catholic, esp those who are aware that this is a problem for at least some Catholics, why would you want to receive Communion? Where is the benefit for you?
Why do you want to receive the Holy Communion, but yet, you are not open to receiving instruction in RCIA? Why do you go and say, ‘Oh no, I’m no Catholic. I have no desire to be’? What is the reason for “Playing Catholic”?
I’m do hope that this question will at least provoked some honest dialogue on this topic. My thing is I think that so often, Catholics, in the spirit of Charity and ecumenism, are either encouraging, or at least not discouraging, Non-Catholics from receiving, or in effortts to ‘not offend’ are not saying anything, but what is the perspective from the other side.
(If there is a similar discussion to this, plaese add this to the earlier one. I did a search, but was not patient enough to go through very many pages of search results)
Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty concerning the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30 That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. [7] 31 But if we judged [8] ourselves truly, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined [9] so that we may not be condemned along with the world.
I think I said they are not guilty, because they threw out having the real presence like Paul did when they decided to abandon the church instituted by Christ.
You mean no one ever gets ill, weak, or dies? People die everyday, perhaps they do not get sick right away or drop dead upon taking the eucharist unworthily, however they will be judged. The judgement the Lord gives us is to discipline us so that we may not be condemned with the rest of the world.
Okay, so what is the determination or basis of paradise or damnation that God will use to determine our final destiny?
Ah, I’m not going off topic with this thread
If you really want to address this, you can start addressing a lot of the scripture I’ve posted to your threads I would propose that these are spiritual ills rather than physical. When people receive unworthily, they are in a state of sin; their will is weakened, they sin more, and if they commit a mortal sin, their soul is spiritually dead: if they physically die, they will go to Hell.
Well, I suppose because, for some reason, they are visiting a Catholic Church. If the view that they too have th “real” Eucharist were true, than for Catholics to deny what God hasn’t seems the grossest sort of presumption, toward God as much as the visitors in question.
To *join *the Catholic Church.
In the Catholic Church.
Found in their fullness in the Catholic Church.
There is no unity among the various *Lutheran *groups, much less between all the different groups which call themselves Christian. You cannot celebrate something which does not exist, and you cannot strengthen something which is not there.
What do you mean, that God has not denied that they have the True Presence?
The rule is there to protect the non-Catholic potential recipient and to protect the Eucharist. If one truly believes that the Catholic Eucharist is truly the Body and Blood of our Lord, then they should be *happy *that we want to protect those who might receive unworthily, and that we want to protect the Eucharist Himself from being received unworthily. If they do not believe that the Eucharist is the True Presence of Christ, then they ought not receive, because they do not recognise Christ in the Eucharist: 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
Umm, that would include Catholics and Orthodox.
You are bound by Catholic teaching to believe that our Eucharist lacks the true body and blood. We are bound by no such belief about yours. So, I can say that yes, it exists in the Lutheran Eucharist, just as it does in yours. And I pray for the day that unity comes to our communions.
Did you read the comment I was responding to? In this case, the Catholic poster was commenting on the possibility that the Real Presence exists in the Catholic Eucharist and in at least some non-Catholic Eucharists. She argued that even if this were the case, than it is still sensible/logical/acceptable that Catholics would deny the Eucharist to these other Christians when they are visiting a Catholic Church.
ateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
Is that sentance what you meant to write?
