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Teneas
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hehe…sometimes it’s needed takes his 2x4 backTeneas,
You crack me up.
I’m returning the 2x4. I ended up using it on myself.uch:
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Anna_Scott
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Usbek de Perse,I think I understand your point that one can become a Catholic whenever one chooses. Do not suppose that one needs to be a Roman Catholic to truly believe in the transubstantiated host as the body and blood of Christ, and of our real and full communion with Him.
I have taken that leap of faith. I believe that the Eucharistic Host from the point of consecration the body and blood of Jesus Christ, and the words of institution, “this is my body…”, “this is my blood…” unite that particular celebration of the Eucharist with that first Eucharist where Christ was the priest, and with all other Eucharistic celebrations in the past and in the future.
However an honest person should not attempt to receive communion in a Catholic church when they know the clear rules of the church limit reception to Roman Catholics, except as permitted by the priest following the canons of the church.
I have a feeling I could pass any RCIA test, at least as far as facts go. However, I am not a Catholic, and while I am prepared to accept the primacy of Peter, the institution of the Papacy troubles me no matter how genial the recent occupants of that office have been. I should point out that the Missouri Synod of the Lutheran Church also has closed communion. Even a Lutheran of another Synod is excluded.
Does the Episcopal Church teach the real presence of Christ during Communion?
Anna
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KathleenGee
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For going to Mass…beforehand, it would be good to read a little tract on the parts of the Mass…
Stand:
The priest enters the altar and welcomes everyone, and we welcome the priest.
He then calls on God’s forgiveness for our ordinary sins, and we then receive public absolution…this is the Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy…
The priest sits down and so do we.
Sitting, we then begin the Liturgy of the Word…
First the Old Testament. We listen to the Old Testament as witnesses to events that happened in ancient times, and journey with the Jewish people.
The OT is followed by praise through the Psalms with responsorial usually sung for Sabbath worship… Then we go into the New Testament.
Priest then stands then goes to pulpit to read the Gospel and we sit and listen to his homily. (We go through the entire Bible, but it takes 3 years. We call each year a cycle, Cycle A, B, and C. So we continue in the Oral tradition, but you can use the missalette if you want to read.)
We stand to profess our belief in Christ True God and True Man in the Nicene Creed. (Weekdays, we use the simple Apostles Creed.) It is followed by the prayer intentions of the faithful…Let us pray to the Lord, the congregation responds with, ‘Lord, hear our prayer’.
Thus ends Liturgy of the Word. We sit for beginning of the Liturgy of the Eucharist.
Liturgy of the Eucharist:
The priest goes to the altar to prepare the gifts of ordinary bread and wine. This time we reflect on our life this past week, people’s needs, the world and offer this all to the Lord for the Eucharist. Collection of offerings at this time.
Then when priest is finished at the offertory, he calls us to stand at the Sanctus. The Sanctus is a very old prayer used in Jewish OT liturgies.
Kneel: We pray and then kneel and during that time the ordinary bread and wine are then transubstantiated into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, the priest elevating each…the Body and the Blood and we then end this part saying, Amen…it is true.
We stand for Our Father. People might want to hold your hand…you might want to. Then while standing we ask the to accept us, Lord I am not worthy but say the Word so I may be healed’…the Eucharistic Ministers come up to the altar and the priest hands them the hosts and cups…then we all proceed up to the altar to receive.
People come back to kneel or sit…when the priest is done, he comes back to his chair to sit and many usually will sit down in unison with him. There is a pause and then he gets ready to dismiss us.
The real problem is following the missalette and finding where the music is…the choir has the numbers for songs next to them.
You are all welcome to come…you may want to introduce yourself to the priest when coming in. People recall their baptism coming in and going out with the sign of the cross with Holy Water.
There are books out there on how the Mass was originally said in ancient times…in various locations…but the tone, the reverence, the adoration, and various parts of the prayers are the same today as then going back 2000 years.
Recall that God gave the Jewish people directives for worship…the Mass is the fulfillment of ancient liturgies…ours focused on Christ as Atonement for sin. We are offered to the Father through Jesus Christ.
Hope this helps give you an idea.
Stand:
The priest enters the altar and welcomes everyone, and we welcome the priest.
He then calls on God’s forgiveness for our ordinary sins, and we then receive public absolution…this is the Lord have mercy, Christ have mercy…
The priest sits down and so do we.
Sitting, we then begin the Liturgy of the Word…
First the Old Testament. We listen to the Old Testament as witnesses to events that happened in ancient times, and journey with the Jewish people.
The OT is followed by praise through the Psalms with responsorial usually sung for Sabbath worship… Then we go into the New Testament.
Priest then stands then goes to pulpit to read the Gospel and we sit and listen to his homily. (We go through the entire Bible, but it takes 3 years. We call each year a cycle, Cycle A, B, and C. So we continue in the Oral tradition, but you can use the missalette if you want to read.)
We stand to profess our belief in Christ True God and True Man in the Nicene Creed. (Weekdays, we use the simple Apostles Creed.) It is followed by the prayer intentions of the faithful…Let us pray to the Lord, the congregation responds with, ‘Lord, hear our prayer’.
Thus ends Liturgy of the Word. We sit for beginning of the Liturgy of the Eucharist.
Liturgy of the Eucharist:
The priest goes to the altar to prepare the gifts of ordinary bread and wine. This time we reflect on our life this past week, people’s needs, the world and offer this all to the Lord for the Eucharist. Collection of offerings at this time.
Then when priest is finished at the offertory, he calls us to stand at the Sanctus. The Sanctus is a very old prayer used in Jewish OT liturgies.
Kneel: We pray and then kneel and during that time the ordinary bread and wine are then transubstantiated into the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, the priest elevating each…the Body and the Blood and we then end this part saying, Amen…it is true.
We stand for Our Father. People might want to hold your hand…you might want to. Then while standing we ask the to accept us, Lord I am not worthy but say the Word so I may be healed’…the Eucharistic Ministers come up to the altar and the priest hands them the hosts and cups…then we all proceed up to the altar to receive.
People come back to kneel or sit…when the priest is done, he comes back to his chair to sit and many usually will sit down in unison with him. There is a pause and then he gets ready to dismiss us.
The real problem is following the missalette and finding where the music is…the choir has the numbers for songs next to them.
You are all welcome to come…you may want to introduce yourself to the priest when coming in. People recall their baptism coming in and going out with the sign of the cross with Holy Water.
There are books out there on how the Mass was originally said in ancient times…in various locations…but the tone, the reverence, the adoration, and various parts of the prayers are the same today as then going back 2000 years.
Recall that God gave the Jewish people directives for worship…the Mass is the fulfillment of ancient liturgies…ours focused on Christ as Atonement for sin. We are offered to the Father through Jesus Christ.
Hope this helps give you an idea.
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RuthErickson
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I am a protestant. last year I have gone to a few Catholic masses. I found the people friendly. I think before protestants go to mass they need to know that when you are in the sanctuary it is a sacred moment. God is present so people don’t talk. When you go to a protestant church they don’t believe in the real presence so they are more informal. I liked the seriousness of the mass. I like the majesty of the presence of God. I had a positive time. I think that when you go to different churches you need to be mindful of the history and how they view what they are doing. I have questions about Catholic doctrine. I would convert if I would feel comfortable about some of the doctrines.
I had a positive experience with Catholics. My mom is another story. She is a fundamentalist christian and threw a fit when I came home. I have been in situations in my life when I have needed a quite place to read the Bible. I know that Catholic churches are open so I go in and sit down and read. No one has ever bothered me. They have only encouraged me. I have had over all in my life a positive time with Catholic
I had a positive experience with Catholics. My mom is another story. She is a fundamentalist christian and threw a fit when I came home. I have been in situations in my life when I have needed a quite place to read the Bible. I know that Catholic churches are open so I go in and sit down and read. No one has ever bothered me. They have only encouraged me. I have had over all in my life a positive time with Catholic
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KathleenGee
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I have spent some time going through all the posts here, and thank all the non-Catholics for their (name removed by moderator)ut and impressions.
I am also saddened by those laypeople who take it upon themselves to be self-appointed gatekeepers of who is allowed in and attend a Mass without being Catholic. I used to attend an inner city Catholic church. We had an eccentric man doing the usher’s job. He went overboard and started escorting out old ladies asking simple questions, or mothers with crying babies, – and my husband coming back to church after a number of years – for making noise. Finally, one of the friars put a notice in the parish bulletin that they do not have bouncers for ushers, and the poor fellow had a restraining order put on him by the pastor.
People who make you feel unwelcome are usually the off the wall ones…I tend to find them at more traditional congregations. You can also say that the openness of the parish depends on the personality of the people…introvert people are drawn to more quiet and reflective Masses, more extrovert people have a friendlier attitude with shaking hands at Mass, the informal greeting and introducing ourselves to those before Mass begins. All parishes have the presbyter invite everyone to refreshments after Mass.
Catholics generally will never sing with the exuberance of the Lutherans. They came next door to our church for a Thanksgiving service. We all sat there like bumps on a log looking at their smiling faces and energy of song, appreciating everything. I think our approach to the Mass is more on the receiving end and adoration of Who is to be manifested on the altar.
Finally, those of us who hail from non-Latin cultures tend to be more reserved. I grew up in an Italian immigrant neighborhood. I worked with southern Italians overseas. You can check out the fraternal life they have in SE Italy. www.pacebenemondo.it. They are Capuchins/Franciscans.
St. Francis of Assisi was called to rebuild the Church. First he went out and actually built church buildings, but in time found out it was building the Christian brotherhood with others in union with God’s creation, and respecting the traditions of faith of other people, as was the case when he went to the Holy Land and had the encounter with a Muslim sultan.
I think the ambient depends on the attitude and personality of the people. Going into a Catholic church to visit with no one there before the Tabernacle that holds the physical Presence of God is a good thing to do in conjunction with visiting through attending Mass. The private visit helps one reflect on the Alpha and Omega of worship.
In ancient times, the Gentiles in Rome at their communion would make oaths that living out the Eucharist was not to steal, lie or commit adultery, the word sacrament coming from the Latin word ‘Sacramentum’, meaning the outward sign of an inner and sacred oath.
It takes a lifetime for most Catholics to understand the liturgy, its history and parts.
I am also saddened by those laypeople who take it upon themselves to be self-appointed gatekeepers of who is allowed in and attend a Mass without being Catholic. I used to attend an inner city Catholic church. We had an eccentric man doing the usher’s job. He went overboard and started escorting out old ladies asking simple questions, or mothers with crying babies, – and my husband coming back to church after a number of years – for making noise. Finally, one of the friars put a notice in the parish bulletin that they do not have bouncers for ushers, and the poor fellow had a restraining order put on him by the pastor.
People who make you feel unwelcome are usually the off the wall ones…I tend to find them at more traditional congregations. You can also say that the openness of the parish depends on the personality of the people…introvert people are drawn to more quiet and reflective Masses, more extrovert people have a friendlier attitude with shaking hands at Mass, the informal greeting and introducing ourselves to those before Mass begins. All parishes have the presbyter invite everyone to refreshments after Mass.
Catholics generally will never sing with the exuberance of the Lutherans. They came next door to our church for a Thanksgiving service. We all sat there like bumps on a log looking at their smiling faces and energy of song, appreciating everything. I think our approach to the Mass is more on the receiving end and adoration of Who is to be manifested on the altar.
Finally, those of us who hail from non-Latin cultures tend to be more reserved. I grew up in an Italian immigrant neighborhood. I worked with southern Italians overseas. You can check out the fraternal life they have in SE Italy. www.pacebenemondo.it. They are Capuchins/Franciscans.
St. Francis of Assisi was called to rebuild the Church. First he went out and actually built church buildings, but in time found out it was building the Christian brotherhood with others in union with God’s creation, and respecting the traditions of faith of other people, as was the case when he went to the Holy Land and had the encounter with a Muslim sultan.
I think the ambient depends on the attitude and personality of the people. Going into a Catholic church to visit with no one there before the Tabernacle that holds the physical Presence of God is a good thing to do in conjunction with visiting through attending Mass. The private visit helps one reflect on the Alpha and Omega of worship.
In ancient times, the Gentiles in Rome at their communion would make oaths that living out the Eucharist was not to steal, lie or commit adultery, the word sacrament coming from the Latin word ‘Sacramentum’, meaning the outward sign of an inner and sacred oath.
It takes a lifetime for most Catholics to understand the liturgy, its history and parts.
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Usbek_de_Perse
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Yes.Usbek de Perse,
Does the Episcopal Church teach the real presence of Christ during Communion?
Anna
Different views exist as to whether it is actual transubstantiation, consubstantiation, etc. But we believe in the real presence of Christ in the eucharistic elements.
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