Non-Catholicss: Please explain Sola Scriptura

[jmcrae]

I think what you are trying to say is that in plain words a pope is the topmost oversear of the entire church. If so then Peter was the first pope.

Yes, that’s exactly what I am trying to convey.

 

[jmcrae]

a favor please, can you post here the entire passage from your translation of choice? thanks. i wanna compare it with the protestant explanation.

Here is Jerome’s translation into Latin, which was made from the original documents in the late 300s and early 400s AD (these originals no longer exist). The emphasis is mine: notice how the name given by Jesus to Simon has the same root as the word used to indicate what the foundation of the Church will be - they have the same meaning, and refer to the same thing. Both words mean “Rock,” so if we put this passage into English, we see that Jesus is saying, “Thou art Rock [thus giving him a new name, just as He gave Abram the name Abraham when He established the Old Covenant upon Abraham and his descendants], and upon this rock I am building my Church …]”

MATTHAEUM 16

18 Et ego dico tibi: Tu es Petrus, et super hanc petram aedificabo Ecclesiam meam; et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam.
19 Tibi dabo claves regni caelorum; et quodcumque ligaveris super terram, erit ligatum in caelis, et quodcumque solveris super terram, erit solutum in caelis ”.

 

[AgnosTheist]

thanks. it would take some time to check the other side. why on earth didnt jesus just say, “Peter, you are the rock upon which I will build my church”. MY GOODNESS!

 

[jmcrae]

thanks. it would take some time to check the other side. why on earth didnt jesus just say, “Peter, you are the rock upon which I will build my church”. MY GOODNESS!

Well, essentially that’s exactly what He did say.

Keep in mind, Simon didn’t know yet that his name was going to be Peter, so Jesus had to phrase it in such a way that he understood that he was receiving a new name, as well, so that the whole thing would make sense to him.

 

[De_Maria]

So Jesus was the first Pope?

You asked, and I quote:

So back to the original question, who do I think is the first Father of Christianity?

You didn’t ask, “who was the first Pope?” If you had, I would have said Peter.

That makes sense. The apostles were all fathers, right?

According to St. Paul, yes.

• 1Thess 2 11* As you know in what manner, entreating and comforting you, (as a father doth his children,)** 12 We** testified to every one of you, that you would walk worthy of God, who hath called you unto his kingdom and glory.

They were all Popes.

Well, if you want to use the Italian transliteration for the word Father, yes.

Sincerely,

De Maria

 

[allofgrace]

Ah, but where in Scripture does it say that there are other authorities equal to itself??

I Timothy 3:15 St. Paul tells Timothy, “if I am delayed that you may know how to behave in the household of God, which is the Church of the Living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.” That is the purpose of the Church - to hold the line on THE TRUTH.

The ground in construction terms is the foundation that distributes the weight and the pillar is what holds the structure up.

St. Peter also says that “no prophecy (speaking forth) of scripture is of any private interpretation.”

We have the mess we have today and the relativism we have today because Luther, Calvin, Zwingli et al let loose myriad beliefs by taking the bible out of the Church and handing it to every Tom, **** and Mary to interpret for themselves.

In St. Paul’s day he said that anyone who preached any gospel other than what was heard from the Apostles was to be called accursed and they were not to be listened to. He warned that there would come a time when men would not tolerate sound doctrine but would go around “with itching ears” wanting only what they wanted to hear - that’s what ‘church hopping’ is all about.

St. Paul said that it was scandal to adhere to a particular “preacher” - “I am of Paul; I am of Apolos, etc. - is Christ divided?” and yet people adhere themselves today to charismatic personalities as much as to “a gospel” -

It has proven to be a disaster - look at how new churches are burgeoning and how many different teachings there are just in one day among the tv preachers.

Wolves in sheep’s clothing - houses built on sand and a house built on rock - these are all warnings.

I was told the other day by a 70 year old Nazarene whose father was one of the founders of the Church of the Nazarene in this town and she has been there all her life, that what is truth for me may not be truth for her - relativism - Fletcher’s Castoria -

My question to her and to anyone who will hold still - are WE the point or is God the point - does anyone ever ask “What does GOD BELIEVE?” and accept nothing but GOD’S TRUTH. That is the only way we come to the knowledge of HIS TRUTH - pray for grace, pray for wisdom, commit ourselves to HIS WAY and die to self.

 

[pyropam]

WELL… I COULDN’T EXPLAIN IT AT ALL… SO I BECAME CATHOLIC!!