Non-Christians obtaining Heaven?

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Ok, if they are friends then try to convert them.
I assume you tried and failed (of course keep praying and trying).
Now, what happens really depends.
We don’t despair, but…don’t think that means they’re saved. We believe the Crucifixion is for everyone, but you have to take of it.

It is possible that in a way, they accept Christ without realizing it or that they accept the Truth at the very last instant of their lives prior to death, or that they are invincible ignorant. You as their friend should try to be as saintly as possible, as an ambassador of sorts of Christ on Earth.
I know how difficult this can be, and I wish I could follow my convictions so thoroughly.

God is kind. But Just.
The Jewish law no longer is satisfactory, as Jesus has already come, so the laws and festivals pointing towards Him are already fulfilled.
God bless
 
I can’t say I’ve bothered to check out every Christian faith, only the ones I’ve come across in over a couple of decades of discussing religion online.
 
Only God knows what is in each person’s soul so only He knows who is faithful and who is not. He will decide.
 
One knows we have strict Hasidic Jews. There are mystic Jews following the Kabala. There are kosher Jews who separate cooking utensils for milk products and meat.(I think that’s how food is separated for cooking) There is Judaism as a religion. Some are called Jews from living in Israel. There are Messianic Jews. I heard an interview w Bebe Netanyahu. I heard him say that he reads the BIBLE everyday!! WOW!
I don’t have to make any up. I guess I could google, how many factions of Judaism are there?
Anyway,
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
tweedlealice said:
I guess I could google, how many factions of Judaism are there?
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I studied Hassidic Judaism for a year and practiced some of it (as a Noahide) What exactly are you wanting to know?

There are three main denominations of Judaism: Reform, conservative, orthodox that differ mostly in how literally they observe the Law. Hassidic Jews are considered orthodox. As you mentioned they integrate more Kabbalah into their teachings and practices. There are many different Hassidic lineages but the two most present online are Chabad and Nachman
Chabad.org is a great resource for anything on Judaism.

Shalom,
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1260 "Since Christ died for all, and since all men are in fact called to one and the same destiny, which is divine, we must hold that the Holy Spirit offers to all the possibility of being made partakers, in a way known to God, of the Paschal mystery. Every man who is ignorant of the Gospel of Christ and of his Church, but seeks the truth and does the will of God in accordance with his understanding of it, can be saved. It may be supposed that such persons would have desired Baptism explicitly if they had known its necessity.

-Catechism of the Catholic Church

I hope this helps answer your question.
 
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Shalom,
I had replied to someone before our exchange. They implied I needed to know more. I don’t know where the thread is to clarify my memory.
Anyway, that is why I was replying w my knowledge. I may not have studied JUDIAISM in a full class on Judaism. My knowledge is from a combined religion clas and life.
Thank you for breaking it down to 3 categories for me. I did some personal research for a project I had.
Thank You
Shalom, please, Lord in the world.
Tweedlealice
 
Dear MysticMonist,
TheCatholic Church/Religion is right from Peter’s role as Pope. The first church was built on the blood of the Martyrs. I’ve often wonder,”Why believe, when they’re torturing you and killing you?” The Revelation of Jesus, His ministry and miracles, His teachings of Loving enemies and forgiving enemies, His suffering and death, all were eye opening. BUT, it was the witnessed testimony of His RESURRECTION, that sold the deal. Society was very esoteric. Gatherings to discuss philosophies(Greek and Roman). They believed that there is life after death for sure, now. Witnesses saw the Risen Christ. Plus, Heaven sounds nice. So, torture and death doesn’t end your life.
Of course, Jews had to believe Jesus was the Messiah.,
The CHURCH: a growing groups of wanderers, meeting in secret after the persecutions started its beginnings. What money could they get? Barely getting by.
What impressive political power did they have? None.
Why did they want to start a church, in the sense that starting a job should bring financial gain. Starting a business should bring you power.,
If they wanted to be corrupt and get money from ppl and run away,…they didn’t. Nope they were martyred.
They saw Jesus. They walked w Him and witnessed His miracles that NOONE had done before. They believed His teachings. The Resurrected Jesus told them to go out and teach ppl about Him.
So, they did. The Holy Spirit, That came after Jesus rose, opened hearts and minds to receive the message. The Holy Spirit gave them strength to walk into the Arenas.
Accepting Christ as your Lord and Savior, makes Him your BFF. It is joyous w Him in your heart, soul and Spirit. Reading the Bible soothes your soul and teaches you the way of God. It’s the map that brings us to heaven.
May you feel the Holy Spirit, calling you home.
Tweedlealice
 
From the Dogmatic Constitution on the Church, Lumen Gentium
  1. The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter. For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities. Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God. They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power. Some indeed He has strengthened to the extent of the shedding of their blood. In all of Christ’s disciples the Spirit arouses the desire to be peacefully united, in the manner determined by Christ, as one flock under one shepherd, and He prompts them to pursue this end. Mother Church never ceases to pray, hope and work that this may come about. She exhorts her children to purification and renewal so that the sign of Christ may shine more brightly over the face of the earth.
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  1. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God. In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh. On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues. But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind. Nor is God far distant from those who in shadows and images seek the unknown God, for it is He who gives to all men life and breath and all things, and as Saviour wills that all men be saved. Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience. Nor does Divine Providence deny the helps necessary for salvation to those who, without blame on their part, have not yet arrived at an explicit knowledge of God and with His grace strive to live a good life. Whatever good or truth is found amongst them is looked upon by the Church as a preparation for the Gospel. She knows that it is given by Him who enlightens all men so that they may finally have life. But often men, deceived by the Evil One, have become vain in their reasonings and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, serving the creature rather than the Creator. Or some there are who, living and dying in this world without God, are exposed to final despair. Wherefore to promote the glory of God and procure the salvation of all of these, and mindful of the command of the Lord, “Preach the Gospel to every creature”,(130) the Church fosters the missions with care and attention.
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This may be off-topic but I agree with you that martyrs offer a compelling witness to the truth of their faith. I’m studying the martyrs of my own Baha’i faith right now.
I must admit though I’m troubled by examples of martyrs for false and even evil causes. What about communist revolutionaries who willing risk and lay down their lives? Or how Hitler was jailed for his political beliefs?
I suppose the difference is the fruits. What us the fruit of Christanity? (Mostly) mercy, love, charity, faith, love of God
What are the fruits of Baha’i? (Mostly) unity, devotion to God, freedom from prejudice
The fruits of communism and natzism? Hate, murder, war, fear.
 
I think you answered your question. BY THEIR FRUITS YOU WILL KNOW THEM. Do you see Christ (love, forgiveness, mercy, loving enemies) in me? Out of 365 Days, I can live Christ ~275 days. The rest it is probably me. SIGH! We can’t keep 1 sentence straight playing WHISPERING DOWN THE LANE. But, the Bible has survived over 2000 yrs in accuracy. His story has survived 2000+ yrs. A Miracle.
There is positive energy and negative energy in the Universe. There is God and Satan. There is Jesus and Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, etc. Does life grow or die? Follow the Love.
In Christ’s love
Tweedlealice
 
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