Non-denom Christians are part of a denomination

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Are they not??? I have friends that go to a non-denominational church called the Vinyard… but it sure seems like a denomination… it has a “theology” and they have unified beliefs and seem sort of charismatic… anyone know about this sort of thing? One questioned me on baby baptisms…
 
No non denoms here to advise me???any Catholics that have run tnto this???
 
Are they not??? I have friends that go to a non-denominational church called the Vinyard… but it sure seems like a denomination… it has a “theology” and they have unified beliefs and seem sort of charismatic… anyone know about this sort of thing? One questioned me on baby baptisms…
Hello,I know that non denominations,do have a baby dedication It’s alot like Catholic baptism.NANCY
 
No non denoms here to advise me???any Catholics that have run tnto this???
Non denoms are just that, they are not affiliated with any sound doctrine. Each non denom differ from one another, the only thing they hold to is the bible. Take the bible from them as the first Christians did not have a bible yet, and you got nothing:shrug:

Peace be with you:)
 
Are they not??? I have friends that go to a non-denominational church called the Vinyard… but it sure seems like a denomination… it has a “theology” and they have unified beliefs and seem sort of charismatic… anyone know about this sort of thing? One questioned me on baby baptisms…
hI, i THINK YOUR REFERING TO PENTECOSTALS,THEY GET SLAIN IN THE SPIRIT,AND SPEAK IN TOUNGS,AND DANCE AROOUND ETC. NANCY
 
Non denoms are just that, they are not affiliated with any sound doctrine. Each non denom differ from one another, the only thing they hold to is the bible. Take the bible from them as the first Christians did not have a bible yet, and you got nothing:shrug:

Peace be with you:)
You know Billy Graham,was a well .renowned christain,loved trusted writer.Alot of goodpeople even without the bible they know the book, and how to live right Nancy
 
You know Billy Graham,was a well .renowned christain,loved trusted writer.Alot of goodpeople even without the bible they know the book, and how to live right Nancy
I am sure your right, but I was comparing the first century Christians who did not have a bible yet, and non denom’s try to take from scripture as if they did, and pretend to live as they lived. The New Testament did not record everything Jesus and apostles did and taught. But that is another topic.

Yes these Christians are good people and mean well when they refrain from anti-catholic rhetoric. But I could tell you, all those people who attended Billy Graham services, none of them were ever in total agreement in a Christian doctrine. For all different denominations including Catholics and many different bible believing Christians which are also dubbed non denominations, were all in attendance.

For their teacher or preacher is their sole authority to faith and morals making themselves all infallible popes.

I dont want to knock at these non denominations. I agree they are good people, I hope to be discussing what is a non denominational christian, and they are never a denomination for they dont adhere to a teaching authority but themselves.

Peace be with you
 
Non denoms are just that, they are not affiliated with any sound doctrine. Each non denom differ from one another, the only thing they hold to is the bible. Take the bible from them as the first Christians did not have a bible yet, and you got nothing:shrug:

Peace be with you:)
Christianity is not a system, denomination, or any other organization that does not have Christ as the immediate and final living Head and Authority.

“We preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord” (2 Cor. 4:5)

Christianity is Christ.

The Word of God describes the Lord Jesus Christ very clearly in the Gospel. That Gospel is not a complicated Gospel, unless man mucks it up and starts looking to other than the very essence of the Gospel, which is Jesus Christ; crucified, buried, and risen for our salvation.

Take away my Bible and I still have the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
That is all I need after the Holy Spirit made Him real to me.

I trust no denomination that seems more concerned with preaching religion, denomination, tradition, or otherwise over against preaching about Christ Jesus the Lord.
“For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.”
 
Christianity is not a system, denomination, or any other organization that does not have Christ as the immediate and final living Head and Authority.

“We preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord” (2 Cor. 4:5)

Christianity is Christ.

The Word of God describes the Lord Jesus Christ very clearly in the Gospel. That Gospel is not a complicated Gospel, unless man mucks it up and starts looking to other than the very essence of the Gospel, which is Jesus Christ; crucified, buried, and risen for our salvation.

Take away my Bible and I still have the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
That is all I need after the Holy Spirit made Him real to me.

I trust no denomination that seems more concerned with preaching religion, denomination, tradition, or otherwise over against preaching about Christ Jesus the Lord.
“For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.”
And I applaud you on your statement. No one takes from you your love of Jesus, I applaud you very well:thumbsup:

Subscribing to the post, not your personal intentions as a non denominational. Can you help me understand a few things from a non denominational? 1. Who do you hold accountable if and when christian teachings, morals, and fundamental belief’s in Jesus comes under scrutiny or attack?
  1. Can you explain to me, if history records that the Catholic church put the books of the New Testament together and canonized the books of the bible with an infallible authority, to which non denom’s subscribe to the Catholic bible books although not all of them because some of them Protestants removed some books. By what authority do non denom’s claim to have the guarantee that what they (non denom’s) preach and teach is truly a teaching from Jesus and his apostolic authority?
Now you say you preach what is in the bible. Mathew 16:14-19 Jesus states to Peter he will build his church upon Peter, and gave him the keys to his Kingdom on earth and the power to bind and loose, not to mention from John 21: where Jesus resurrected commands Peter to feed, and tend his flock on earth. Now if Jesus instituted a church on earth, where is it today or did Jesus lie?
 
Christianity is not a system, denomination, or any other organization that does not have Christ as the immediate and final living Head and Authority.

Gabriel of 12:
The Catholic church has taught for 2000 years that the Catholic church is the “body of Jesus Christ”. We believe as scripture teaches and apostolic Tradition reveals that the Catholic church is the body of Jesus Christ and Jesus is the head of the Church.

brkn1
“We preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord” (2 Cor. 4:5)

Christianity is Christ.

The Word of God describes the Lord Jesus Christ very clearly in the Gospel. That Gospel is not a complicated Gospel, unless man mucks it up and starts looking to other than the very essence of the Gospel, which is Jesus Christ; crucified, buried, and risen for our salvation.

Take away my Bible and I still have the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
That is all I need after the Holy Spirit made Him real to me.

Gabriel of 12;
Did you know the first Christian church did not have a bible as you do today. The only thing they had is what you have condemned. They learned about Jesus from Apostolic Oral Tradtion teaching and Apostolic letters which all did not have access to all letters only Apostolic Tradition.

Tell me if you did not have your bible as these first Christians did not have, who would teach these early christians and you about Jesus? Again what you deny or condemn is what Jesus Christ himself built and has been here these 2000 years. Catholics belong not to any denomination, the Catholic church is the body of Jesus Christ.

brkn1
I trust no denomination that seems more concerned with preaching religion, denomination, tradition, or otherwise over against preaching about Christ Jesus the Lord.
“For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus’ sake.”
Gabriel of 12
I respect your preference, and you just confirmed my statement earlier that non denominations are never a denomination. You just seem to have a more hard core detachment from denominations than I spoke of, which is that non denominations do not have a set of doctrinal teachings to hold to all the time, or else they would be a denomination.

I think the quote goes “we preach Christ Crucified” but you as a non denomination do not want to attach yourself to a crucifix which is being Catholic. Just wanted to clear up the scripture quote. This supports your non denominational core belief’s you refuse to attach yourselves to any known doctrine that can identify who you are in Christ. So non denominations are free to preach “Jesus Christ is Lord” any where, any time, any way they want to without doctrine to bind them down in denominations. This leaves out the Catholic church because the Catholic church is never a denomination.

Catholics have the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, she also has Jesus ever present in his sacraments Jesus instituted for the Catholic church to give to the world so that Jesus can be present to all his people. The Word of God is alive in the Catholic church. She is not what you have been misinformed about her.
 
Gabriel of 12
I respect your preference, and you just confirmed my statement earlier that non denominations are never a denomination. You just seem to have a more hard core detachment from denominations than I spoke of, which is that non denominations do not have a set of doctrinal teachings to hold to all the time, or else they would be a denomination.

I think the quote goes “we preach Christ Crucified” but you as a non denomination do not want to attach yourself to a crucifix which is being Catholic. Just wanted to clear up the scripture quote. This supports your non denominational core belief’s you refuse to attach yourselves to any known doctrine that can identify who you are in Christ. So non denominations are free to preach “Jesus Christ is Lord” any where, any time, any way they want to without doctrine to bind them down in denominations. This leaves out the Catholic church because the Catholic church is never a denomination.

Catholics have the body, blood, soul and divinity of Jesus Christ in the Eucharist, she also has Jesus ever present in his sacraments Jesus instituted for the Catholic church to give to the world so that Jesus can be present to all his people. The Word of God is alive in the Catholic church. She is not what you have been misinformed about her.
Jesus told all true believers to preach the Gospel to the entire world. I should qualify what I consider “preaching” here. Preaching could be done just by the manner in which a believer lives his life. It does not have to be actual teaching etc. The Gospel, by itself, is not what saves anyone. The Holy Spirit must also awaken that person’s “Satan-blinded eyes” to the truth of that Gospel. A person that is awakened in acceptance of the truth of the Gospel of “Jesus Christ as Lord” and Saviour has Jesus “ever present” in himself. He is “in Christ” by way of God’s gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit. Your claim to the RCC having the monopoly on such “ever presence” is not supported by Scripture, which is God’s Word to us, not the RCC’s words or anyone else’s.

I have some understanding of what your position is and I pretty much also understand why you disagree with my position. The arguments could now go all over the board, as you have started to do. It is not my ignoring you that I choose not to respond to all such arguments. I find the Gospel to be simple enough for a child to understand.
 
Gabriel of 12; said:
1. Who do you hold accountable if and when Christian teachings, morals, and fundamental belief’s in Jesus comes under scrutiny or attack?

The individual.
By what authority do non denom’s claim to have the guarantee that what they (non denom’s) preach and teach is truly a teaching from Jesus and his apostolic authority?
From the fruits of their work.
Now if Jesus instituted a church on earth, where is it today or did Jesus lie?
Where two or three gather in His name.

jonathon
 
Gabriel of 12;:
which is that non denominations do not have a set of doctrinal teachings to hold to all the time,
This depends. There are non-denominational churches that do have an explicit, and extensive set of doctrinal teachings. There are also non-denominational churches that do have neither an explicit set of doctrinal teachings, nor a clearly defined set of doctrinal teachings.
or else they would be a denomination.
This depends upon how one defines “denomination”.

Most congregations that claim to be non-denominational do not have a formal affiliation with other congregations, regardless of how similar their doctrines and theology are.

jonathon
 
🙂 I beleive God lead the people of old and they didn’t need a bible for the Lord God was with them then, and is with us now.God is no respector of Man,and I’ll bet he dosen’t lable people either,he loves all that are his.He new us when we were yet not formed Psalms 139 He has a record of all you say,and all you do. He is all powerful and he lives everywhere.While your reading your bible look up REV:13;7-10 God know’s all. In his love Nancy:)
 
  1. Who do you hold accountable if and when christian teachings, morals, and fundamental belief’s in Jesus comes under scrutiny or attack?
Gabriel I attend a non-denominational church. You need to clarify what you mean here by saying hold accountable. If the belief’s, teachings etc. of Christians come under attack, you want to hold someone accountable? What does that mean?? Are you referring to the Pastors of the church if they are the attackers, or if outsiders are the attackers who is held accountable?
  1. Can you explain to me, if history records that the Catholic church put the books of the New Testament together and canonized the books of the bible with an infallible authority, to which non denom’s subscribe to the Catholic bible books although not all of them because some of them Protestants removed some books. By what authority do non denom’s claim to have the guarantee that what they (non denom’s) preach and teach is truly a teaching from Jesus and his apostolic authority?
We thank the Catholic church for preserving the Bible and bringing it forward through all the attempted persecutions of it. We don’t accept the apocryphal books as being divinely inspired and therefore do not use them for doctrines of faith. Something by the way Jerome and many Popes asserted as well. They are good for historical reading, although some have some errors, and for edification but not for creating doctrines of Faith around.

As far as authority and guarantees we get that right from the scriptures. We believe scripture contains the teachings of Christ as written by the Apostles and consider them the final rule of Faith. We acknowledge that not everything was written down and have tremendous respect for the church’s history and traditions. But doctrines of Faith are not taken from traditions. We may disagree on this but you are asking how we think and practice and I’m giving honest answers. If all you are going to do is say we are wrong that gets us nowhere. So let’s keep this charitable eh??
Now you say you preach what is in the bible. Mathew 16:14-19 Jesus states to Peter he will build his church upon Peter, and gave him the keys to his Kingdom on earth and the power to bind and loose,
Christ did not build HIS church upon Peter the person. Christ built HIS church on what Peter said. You have to consider the entire conversation. We shouldn’t derail the thread on this so if you want to discuss further we can take it to another thread. The keys were given to the entire church as well as the power of binding and loosing. Not just to Peter singularly.

We certainly recognize that Peter was probably the first great spiritual leader and Christ recognized his talent for this. But Christ commissioned Paul separately which rules out Apostolic succession. We believe GOD can and does call many individuals to the service of the church. It doesn’t need to come from a succession. That just doesn’t make sense.
not to mention from John 21: where Jesus resurrected commands Peter to feed, and tend his flock on earth. Now if Jesus instituted a church on earth, where is it today or did Jesus lie?
Well as you say everything Jesus said was not written down. So it’s amazing that you will cherry pick a verse from scripture to try and support the notion that Jesus somehow singled out Peter as the only one to feed the lambs. Jesus spent 40 days on earth after the resurrection. For all we know this command may have been given to all disciples. Point of fact in Peter’s letter we see Peter himself giving this same exhortation to Elders of other churches while identifying himself as a fellow Elder. Not chief Elder or chief shepherd. Just Elder. Please read 2 Peter 1 5:1-5. Actually Gabriel I know how well versed with scripture you are so you already know what it says.

To answer your question about where the church is, it’s everywhere. That’s why we call it catholic. It’s universal so Jesus certainly did not lie.
 
Are they not??? I have friends that go to a non-denominational church called the Vinyard… but it sure seems like a denomination… it has a “theology” and they have unified beliefs and seem sort of charismatic… anyone know about this sort of thing? One questioned me on baby baptisms…
Fish no they are not. Some non-denoms will have roots to a particular denomination. For instance you will find that some non-denom churches were started by individuals from the Presbyterian church or the Methodist. Our Pastor grew up in the Greek Orthodox church. Imagine that. But many don’t continue those affiliations. We partner with other churches in outreach and ministry including the Catholic church. We work with Catholic Charities all the time. They love us and we certainly love them.

The mission of most non-denominational churches is to get back to the church the way it was established as is read in Acts of the Apostles. The movement was started as what was called a restoration movement and has it’s origins with Barton W. Stone and Alexander Campbell. Just what we need another movement right 🙂

But if you study what was driving these individuals it was an attempt to set aside doctrinal differences and try to unite on fundamentals. That’s why you will see essentials vs non-essentials as part of many non-denoms preachings. For instance if you feel Mary was ever virgin then great. That’s not an essential for our salvation. Jesus never commands us to believe Mary was a virgin, and certainly doesn’t command it for eternal life. So it’s not worth arguing over. You have to believe Jesus was the son of GOD and died for our sins on the cross though. That’s non-negotiable. Hope that helps.
 
I have friends that go to a non-denominational church called the Vinyard

Unless it broke away from the main group, there’s a whole chain of Vineyard churches in this country. It IS a denomination.

One congregation, however, left and eventually embraced Orthodoxy.

I’m always saying there is simply no such thing as a non-denominational church. It might be a denomination of just one congregation, but almost any of them will be seen to fit nicely into one of the existing denominations.
 
Hello,I know that non denominations,do have a baby dedication It’s alot like Catholic baptism.NANCY

“Baby dedications” have nothing to do with the Sacrament of Baptism.

Baptism (whether of an infant or adult or any in between) actually accomplishes something and brings the baptizand into the Church. Baby dedication, as the practicioners will admit, does nothing spiritually.
 
I have friends that go to a non-denominational church called the Vinyard

Unless it broke away from the main group, there’s a whole chain of Vineyard churches in this country. It IS a denomination.

One congregation, however, left and eventually embraced Orthodoxy.

I’m always saying there is simply no such thing as a non-denominational church. It might be a denomination of just one congregation, but almost any of them will be seen to fit nicely into one of the existing denominations.
Cluny I disagree but that’s just my opinion. My church doesn’t fit with any denominations.
 
Hello,I know that non denominations,do have a baby dedication It’s alot like Catholic baptism.NANCY

“Baby dedications” have nothing to do with the Sacrament of Baptism.

Baptism (whether of an infant or adult or any in between) actually accomplishes something and brings the baptizand into the Church. Baby dedication, as the practicioners will admit, does nothing spiritually.
Absolutely correct. Baby dedication is more of a profession by the parents to raise the child in a Christ-centered household. Once the child is old enough to make their own decision then they are usually baptized.
 
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