Non-denoms ?? oxymoron??

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I’ve always been under the impression that anyone using the label “non-denominational” just wants to make sure that others understand that they aren’t Catholic. Otherwise, why not just say they’re Protestant? If you say you’re Protestant, it falls under a large number of religions. If you say Christian, that leaves the door open for Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant. But to me, non-denom just means wanting to make sure it’s clear they aren’t labeled Catholic. Yep, I can totally be wrong about it, but it’s just the impression I get from all the people that have identified themselves as being “non-denom”…they tend to be the most anti-Catholic people I know. 😦
 
I’ve always been under the impression that anyone using the label “non-denominational” just wants to make sure that others understand that they aren’t Catholic. Otherwise, why not just say they’re Protestant?
Because ‘protestant’ has such a bad connotation attached to it.
If you say you’re Protestant, it falls under a large number of religions.
Not exactly. Catholics and protestants are a part of ONE religion. Christianity. We may be of different denominations but we are ONE religion.
If you say Christian, that leaves the door open for Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant.
And the problem with this is…
But to me, non-denom just means wanting to make sure it’s clear they aren’t labeled Catholic.
Not quite… Not everything is about catholics… :rolleyes:
Yep, I can totally be wrong about it, but it’s just the impression I get from all the people that have identified themselves as being “non-denom”…they tend to be the most anti-Catholic people I know. 😦
Well here is one that you now know that is non-denom but is NOT anti-catholic! 👍
 
Why must we get stuck in speaking about this again and again… *sigh…
Hi Singinbeauty, sorry to get ya “sighin”…is there a previous thread somewhere…you did mentioned “again and again”…I will like to see the evidence that it is not an oxymoron. By the way, what is your accepted definition of “denomination”?? I listed some above, but you may post your own.

thanks for the feedback and sharing your non-denomness…and I am seriously trying to make logical sense of non-denominationalism
 
Because ‘protestant’ has such a bad connotation attached to it.
And the problem with this is…
Not exactly. Catholics and protestants are a part of ONE religion. Christianity. We may be of different denominations but we are ONE religion.
I already said that a few comments further into my post.
And the problem with this is…
Didn’t say there was one, so why imply one?
Not quite… Not everything is about catholics… :rolleyes:
Just love the sarcastic :rolleyes: I clearly stated WHY I thought people used the term non-denom… the ones I know and have experience in trying to discuss religion with them, they are anti-Catholic. They don’t lable themselves as Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, or anything like that… it’s “I’m non-denominational” and then later in the conversation “I subscribe to the Baptist views of non-denominational.” So why didn’t they just say they’re Baptist, or even just Protestant? There are three Christian religions… and any Christian is in one of them. You’re either Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant. To say “non-denom” (again, in my view) is to say you’re a Protestant not wanting to be mistaken for a Catholic. You don’t hear Orthodox or Catholics saying “I’m a non-denominational Chrisitan.” It’s only the Protestants that use that term.
Well here is one that you now know that is non-denom but is NOT anti-catholic! 👍
Hope to get to know you. 👍

Sorry for typos… I need to go to sleep. 😊
 
And the problem with this is…
That the term has a negative connotation to it… That’s the problem… I thought I was making this clear with saying that it has a negative connotation but clearly I was not… *sigh Not all protestants are ‘bad’.
I already said that a few comments further into my post.
And yet I did not read that… sorry about that… But when you say:
If you say you’re Protestant, it falls under a large number of religionS.
I was just trying to point out that we are not part of many religionS but one, the same one as catholics. 😉
Didn’t say there was one, so why imply one?
Because you made it a POINT to say that if you say you are just Christian then it opens up the floor to including yourself in with catholics, orthodox, and protestant. If you don’t find a problem with it why not drop the term catholic, orthodox, or protestant and just say Christian?
Just love the sarcastic :rolleyes: I clearly stated WHY I thought people used the term non-denom… the ones I know and have experience in trying to discuss religion with them, they are anti-Catholic.
I probably do not know the people that you have run into claiming to be non-denom. But from your statement about non-denoms just taking on that title because they are anti-catholic and just want to differ themselves from the catholic church with this term makes it sound like they just chose their belief system out of the hate for another… this is not the case. But in many threads on here and on other forums I have run into catholics who say that a protestant is the way they are because they hate the catholic church and, get this, wanna PROTEST the catholic faith… I hate to break it to those who think this way… Not everything is about the catholic faith… some of us came upon our beliefs without even having one idea or another about the catholic faith…
They don’t lable themselves as Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, or anything like that… it’s “I’m non-denominational” and then later in the conversation “I subscribe to the Baptist views of non-denominational.” So why didn’t they just say they’re Baptist, or even just Protestant?
I think part of it is that any particular group, especially in discussing the christian faith with some catholics, has this nasty taste that it leaves in their mouths and if you say I am baptist then it springs an automatic response without the person even hearing you out. Same goes with catholics when they name their belief system to some protestants. BUT what if I were to just come up to you and say I am a Christian? Would you automatically ask ‘What KIND of Christian are you?’ of course being the trouble maker I am I would just reply… ‘A good one I hope!’ or would you just extend your arms and say ‘Well hello there sister!’?
There are three Christian religions… and any Christian is in one of them. You’re either Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant.
Again, I beg to differ… There may be three different sects of Christianity but not three different religions…
To say “non-denom” (again, in my view) is to say you’re a Protestant not wanting to be mistaken for a Catholic. You don’t hear Orthodox or Catholics saying “I’m a non-denominational Chrisitan.” It’s only the Protestants that use that term.
Well I hope I am not bursting your bubble but like I said above… it’s not all about the catholics. We don’t go around saying I am non-denom because we hate catholics so much that we don’t want to be lumped in with them, we say it because we want to bring a sense of unity. Non-denom accepts you whether you are catholic or protestant. No ifs, ands, or buts about it…😃
Hope to get to know you. 👍

Sorry for typos… I need to go to sleep. 😊
No worries! Hope to get to know you too… 👍
 
I personally have no problem telling people I’m a Catholic because it falls under Christianity. I wear a Miraculous Medal, I have a rosary hung up in my truck, I have a wall rosary you can’t miss as soon as you walk in my house… it’s very obvious I’m a Catholic. Outside of geographic and/or cultural differences, what other “Catholic” is there? But when someone states “non-denom” they are, in a short nut, saying they’re Protestant. And you’re right, it’s not always about them being anti-Catholic or about Catholics… in general. I thought I was clear in my explaination as to why I thought people use the term was because the persons were anti-Catholic and didn’t want to be mistaken for one accidentally if they just used the term Christian.

And no, I have not met any Catholics that give a hoot as to what type of Christian you are if you just say you’re Christian. But I sure as heck have met alot of Protestants that want to know imediately what type of Christian and heaven help you if you say Catholic… you get the crestfallen, eyes down, dejected “Oh…” like you just said something wrong and now they’re disappointned. kwim?

As for my comment on “religions” versus your idea of ONE religion…
Def of Religion:
  1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
  2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

The life or condition of a person in a religious order.​

A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.​

A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion​

Def of Christianity:
  1. The Christian religion, founded on the life and teachings of Jesus.
  2. Christians as a group; Christendom.
  3. The state or fact of being a Christian.
  4. pl. Chris·ti·an·i·ties A particular form or sect of the Christian religion: the Christianities of antiquity.
as well as
the religion derived from Jesus Christ , based on the Bible as sacred scripture, and professed by Eastern, Roman Catholic, and Protestant bodies
Bold mine. There are three Christian denominations but there are ALOT of Protestant “religions”…that’s what I was getting at but it’s obvious I wasn’t clear enough… sigh.
 
Yes I agree. oxymoron and anything not Catholic is Protestant.Weather they like it or not. It is either black or white,heads or tails. Get off the fence.
 
I’ve always been under the impression that anyone using the label “non-denominational” just wants to make sure that others understand that they aren’t Catholic. Otherwise, why not just say they’re Protestant? If you say you’re Protestant, it falls under a large number of religions. If you say Christian, that leaves the door open for Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant. But to me, non-denom just means wanting to make sure it’s clear they aren’t labeled Catholic. Yep, I can totally be wrong about it, but it’s just the impression I get from all the people that have identified themselves as being “non-denom”…they tend to be the most anti-Catholic people I know. 😦
That is not always true, it was a non-denominational minister that told me it was OK to be Catholic, within three weeks I started going to RCIA. Protestant Churches are the main-line Protestant Churchs which evolved out of the reformation. Most Baptist Churchs are truly non-demoninational, as well as a large portion of Pentacostal churchs.
If you look into the belief statements of many non-demoninational churchs you find that they are either really Baptist or Pentacostal in nature.

The use of the term of non-demoninational is a declartion of self-autonomy, which can be looked at as not being Catholic, but in many cases today it is to say that they aren’t one of the dying and spiritless main-line protestant churches, which in thier eyes is just as bad as being Catholic.

The one I use to belong to had people that grow up in every demonination that you could find in the phone book, the main reason for many to join it, was it seemed to them, me too, that they found the church as it was in the first century, but they have a lot to learn, as I did.One thing I will say, is they love God and serve others with a great commitment,they truly try to live thier faith.

The reason I left and came into full communion with Rome, was not because they didn’t seem to have a true love of God, they reflect that love in thier actions, but because I realized that what they wanted and what I wanted is found in its fullness in the Catholic Church, which was the Church from the beginning.

To belittle them because they don’t understand, yet, that the fullness of the faith is found in the Catholic Church is non-productive. I think it is from thier ranks you are going to find more of them coming home to Rome then the so-called demoninational churchs.:twocents:

By the way the Catholic Church isn’t a demonination it is the Church Christ started.
:highprayer: :gopray2: :highprayer:
 
Yes I agree. oxymoron and anything not Catholic is Protestant.Weather they like it or not. It is either black or white,heads or tails. Get off the fence.
Thanx but I am not on the fence… Who said anything about a fence? 🙂
 
In a way it is an oxymoron. The theology of these non-denom churches is clearly rooted in evangelical protestantism, the attempt with the name is to create the illusion of a “bible only” church. In a more technical sense it isn’t, they aren’t part of any of the large protestant denoms in any manner. The term “evangelical protestant mini-denom” would be more accurate.
 
Thanx but I am not on the fence… Who said anything about a fence? 🙂
Singinbeauty, what is your accepted definition of DENOMINATION? Cite your dictionary/source too…I listed some above in the previous post. I’m curious, help me understand non-denominationism.

peace be with you
 
That is not always true, it was a non-denominational minister that told me it was OK to be Catholic, within three weeks I started going to RCIA. Protestant Churches are the main-line Protestant Churchs which evolved out of the reformation. Most Baptist Churchs are truly non-demoninational, as well as a large portion of Pentacostal churchs.
If you look into the belief statements of many non-demoninational churchs you find that they are either really Baptist or Pentacostal in nature.

The use of the term of non-demoninational is a declartion of self-autonomy, which can be looked at as not being Catholic, but in many cases today it is to say that they aren’t one of the dying and spiritless main-line protestant churches, which in thier eyes is just as bad as being Catholic.

The one I use to belong to had people that grow up in every demonination that you could find in the phone book, the main reason for many to join it, was it seemed to them, me too, that they found the church as it was in the first century, but they have a lot to learn, as I did.One thing I will say, is they love God and serve others with a great commitment,they truly try to live thier faith.

**The reason I left and came into full communion with Rome, was not because they didn’t seem to have a true love of God, they reflect that love in thier actions, but because I realized that what they wanted and what I wanted is found in its fullness in the Catholic Church, which was the Church from the beginning.

To belittle them because they don’t understand, yet, that the fullness of the faith is found in the Catholic Church is non-productive. I think it is from thier ranks you are going to find more of them coming home to Rome then the so-called demoninational churchs**.:twocents:

By the way the Catholic Church isn’t a demonination it is the Church Christ started.
:highprayer: :gopray2: :highprayer:
I am planning on going to RCIA this fall if all goes well after being a non-denom member for the last 4 years. For the most part they are not anti catholic. After being an AG member since the age of 9, the non-denom was much closer to the Catholic church at least in their search for truth.

I agree with you Bennie that my move towards the Catholic Church wasn’t because they didn’t have a true love for God and weren’t searching for truth. I have found the fullness of truth with Christ’s church–the Catholic Church. My non-denom friends, in search of truth, has not arrived at that point in their journey including my husband and children. They may or may not cross the Tiber (although I pray daily that they do:gopray2:) . But I know they are earnestly seeking the truth as I have been. Just because they don’t convert doesn’t necessarily make them anti-catholic.
 
BUMP…

C’mon non-denoms, I need your assistance in understanding why Non-denom is not an oxymoron. Digitonomy had a good point with the definition he accepted…but not all dictionaries agree with his accepted definition. If all dictionaries had the same definition as his accepted definition then yes, I would agree…but it appears that most dictionaries define a Denonmination as a “branch of christianity”…anyone out there have more definitions of DENOMINATION?? Maybe i missed some.

peace be with you
 
So who decides what is the proper context?
The Head Pastor, who outright owns the church and preaches his personal beliefs, That’s why they are non-denominational; they refuse to agree with anyone, even other non-denoms. I attended a non-denom evangelical church, and even the pastor and his associates rarely agree on what they believe. It’s chaos.
 
The Head Pastor, who outright owns the church and preaches his personal beliefs, That’s why they are non-denominational; they refuse to agree with anyone, even other non-denoms. I attended a non-denom evangelical church, and even the pastor and his associates rarely agree on what they believe. It’s chaos.
An explanation: The evangelical megachurch I attended sells CD’s, DVD’s, books, t-shirts- all kinds of stuff right in the foyer outside the sanctuary. One day the preacher was talking about Matt 21, 12-14. He outright said (not prefacing that it was just his personal opinion) that Jesus did what He did because the merchants were selling BLEMISHED ANIMALS for sacrifice, and God demanded unblemished animals. What? This from a so-called Bible-believing Christian! Where is that in the scripture? It’s pretty clear Jesus was angry at the selling of anything in church; but the pastor had to somehow justify his church’s actions by distorting the Scripture he supposedly holds so dear.
 
The Head Pastor, who outright owns the church and preaches his personal beliefs, That’s why they are non-denominational; they refuse to agree with anyone, even other non-denoms. I attended a non-denom evangelical church, and even the pastor and his associates rarely agree on what they believe. It’s chaos.
Chaos, division, splits…hmm…brings to mind these scriptures:

“Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all say the same thing; and that there be no dissensions among you, but that you be perfectly united in one mind and in one judgment.”
1Corinthians 1:10

“Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which you have learned: and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”
Romans 16:17-18

“And knowing their thoughts Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. And if Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself; how then shall his kingdom stand?””
Matthew 12:25-26

So far, the way I see it…If a non-denom is defined as a “branch of christianity” , then it is an oxymoron:shrug:
 
i’m not a big fan of non-denoms, no offense, but there is no accountability. the main non-denom in my area is a huge youth tailored “church.” with no one to stop him, the pastor (also referred to as the “owner” of this church) and his wife both drive cars costing into the hundred thousand range, soley from money from the collection plate, and their daughter will freqeuntly take all her friends out to dinner and charge it to the church, this seems terrible to me.
yeah, the one I attended is the same. The preacher lives in the biggest house in town and his wife drives a Lexus. Daughters go to private school and often borrow the Lexus. And the preacher claims he gives twenty percent of his meager pay to charities.
 
Singinbeauty, what is your accepted definition of DENOMINATION? Cite your dictionary/source too…I listed some above in the previous post. I’m curious, help me understand non-denominationism.

peace be with you
I am unsure of you hidden agenda here but it is quite clear that you have one. I had to step away from this thread because it has an underlying threatening feel to it. Like I have to be careful of what I say because a bomb is ready to go off around one of these corners…

That being said…

A denomination, as I understand it, is a sect of Christianity. A part of the many moving parts in Christianity. It may move differently but it works for the common goal of spreading the Word of God.

I don’t have an accepted dictionary definition because I have never looked it up. I will have to get back to you on this…
 
The Head Pastor, who outright owns the church and preaches his personal beliefs, That’s why they are non-denominational; they refuse to agree with anyone, even other non-denoms. I attended a non-denom evangelical church, and even the pastor and his associates rarely agree on what they believe. It’s chaos.
Disturbing… glad this is not my church!

Oh, yeah… I am Non-denom… guess your sweeping generalization isn’t right… 😉 :rolleyes:

It’s not that we refuse to agree with anyone it is that we don’t want to be affiliated with any particular group due to the fact that humans ALWAYS mess things up by interjecting their own pride when they reach a certain level of authority. Happened in the catholic church and it has happened in EVERY protestant denom.

Do we have everything worked out and perfect. Heck no! We are human and will never have it perfect. Doesn’t mean we can’t stop trying…
 
Disturbing… glad this is not my church!

Oh, yeah… I am Non-denom… guess your sweeping generalization isn’t right… 😉 :rolleyes:

It’s not that we refuse to agree with anyone it is that we don’t want to be affiliated with any particular group due to the fact that humans ALWAYS mess things up by interjecting their own pride when they reach a certain level of authority. Happened in the catholic church and it has happened in EVERY protestant denom.

Do we have everything worked out and perfect. Heck no! We are human and will never have it perfect. Doesn’t mean we can’t stop trying…
I have attended several non-denoms and found the same to be true of them all. So my “sweeping generalisation” is based on my experiences. From an earlier post:

An explanation: The evangelical megachurch I attended sells CD’s, DVD’s, books, t-shirts- all kinds of stuff right in the foyer outside the sanctuary. One day the preacher was talking about Matt 21, 12-14. He outright said (not prefacing that it was just his personal opinion) that Jesus did what He did because the merchants were selling BLEMISHED ANIMALS for sacrifice, and God demanded unblemished animals. What? This from a so-called Bible-believing Christian! Where is that in the scripture? It’s pretty clear Jesus was angry at the selling of anything in church; but the pastor had to somehow justify his church’s actions by distorting the Scripture he supposedly holds so dear.
 
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