Non SFO Franciscan "Third Orders"?

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Luigi_Daniele said:
Yes, sir. I have about 8 months or so until permanent oblation:)

Love my community very much. The monks (well, monk) is no longer traveling to our meetings, though šŸ˜¦ Canā€™t really blame him; itā€™s 4 hours both ways
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Didnā€™t you just start? It takes 6 years until final profession with the discalced carmelites, so I am confused here.šŸ¤·
 
Shoshana said:
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Didnā€™t you just start? It takes 6 years until final profession with the discalced carmelites, so I am confused here.šŸ¤·
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Ours is a 2 year process. After a year, you become a novice (I did in September). 1 year after that, you make permanent oblation šŸ™‚
 
Luigi,

And others please feel free to correct me on this - but I am not really sure what you are looking for. I know that Canonically one is only supposed to profess one Secular/Lay/Third Order as one should only have one charism. Are you looking more for a group to learn from in order to round out your learnings so to speak?
 
joandarc2008 said:
Luigi,

And others please feel free to correct me on this - but I am not really sure what you are looking for. I know that Canonically one is only supposed to profess one Secular/Lay/Third Order as one should only have one charism. Are you looking more for a group to learn from in order to round out your learnings so to speak?
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I wouldnā€™t mind being a member of an online Franciscan ā€œfraternityā€, if one exists.
Oblates (at least some oblates šŸ˜‰ ) are allowed to be Oblates and members of other orders, as our ā€œattachmentā€ is to a particular monastery, not to a ā€œNationalā€ structure. The Benedictines are very decentralized although my Benniesā€“the olivetani (Olivetans) have a bit more of a loose National structure than do other Bennies.

To repeat: there are other non SFO Franciscan Third Orders (at least I think that they are non SFO :o ).

For example marymediatrix.com/religious-life/third-order-of-the-immaculate
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
I wouldnā€™t mind being a member of an online Franciscan ā€œfraternityā€, if one exists.
Oblates (at least some oblates šŸ˜‰ ) are allowed to be Oblates and members of other orders, as our ā€œattachmentā€ is to a particular monastery, not to a ā€œNationalā€ structure. The Benedictines are very decentralized although my Benniesā€“the olivetani (Olivetans) have a bit more of a loose National structure than do other Bennies.

To repeat: there are other non SFO Franciscan Third Orders (at least I think that they are non SFO :o ).

For example marymediatrix.com/religious-life/third-order-of-the-immaculate
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It looks like this is a Third Order Regular community - which means one would be living in community. What does your Spiritual Director think of this? There is nothing that stops one from studying many Saints but you may find yourself a lot more content if you just focused on one charism.
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
I am interested in Franciscan orders šŸ™‚
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Thanks for your interest in our family, Luigi.

The Franciscan family only has three divisions: 1st, 2nd and 3rd order. The 3rd Order is divided into Third Order Regulars (TOR) and Secular Franciscans (SFO). All other groups are lay associations connected to one of these three families and cannot properly be called orders.

I understand the frustration many are having with the current state of the SFO: poor formation, lack of distinct identity vs ordinary lay people, ecumenical distractions, etc. I, too, have thought about leaving and looking into other groups with a greater focus on penance (CFP, BSP, etc), but I care too much about the SFOā€™s future. If everyone that is dissatisfied leaves, then there wonā€™t be anyone around to change anything. Iā€™m going to stick it out a little longer.

If you want to look at a very conservative (a la the year 1221) group of penitents with a Franciscan charism, check out the Confraternity of Penitents or the Brothers and Sisters of Penance. I try to implement elements of their constitutions into my own spiritual life.

Peace.
 
ausculta said:
Thanks for your interest in our family, Luigi.

The Franciscan family only has three divisions: 1st, 2nd and 3rd order. The 3rd Order is divided into Third Order Regulars (TOR) and Secular Franciscans (SFO). All other groups are lay associations connected to one of these three families and cannot properly be called orders.

I understand the frustration many are having with the current state of the SFO: poor formation, lack of distinct identity vs ordinary lay people, ecumenical distractions, etc. I, too, have thought about leaving and looking into other groups with a greater focus on penance (CFP, BSP, etc), but I care too much about the SFOā€™s future. If everyone that is dissatisfied leaves, then there wonā€™t be anyone around to change anything. Iā€™m going to stick it out a little longer.

If you want to look at a very conservative (a la the year 1221) group of penitents with a Franciscan charism, check out the Confraternity of Penitents or the Brothers and Sisters of Penance. I try to implement elements of their constitutions into my own spiritual life.

Peace.
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Thanks so much, Kevin!
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
Found this: thetraditionalthirdorderofstfrancis.blogspot.com/2009/12/about-us.html

Am I correct that SSPX is not in communion with the RC Church?

Could 1 be a member of this third order, and still in good standing with the RC Church?
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I would sayā€¦no you ought not join a SSPX groupā€¦

You would want to join a group that is all together in communion with the Churchā€¦

at this time things are not fully sorted out ā€¦perhaps in the future things will be.

But I would not approach such at this point in time.
 
Bookcat said:
I would sayā€¦no you ought not join a SSPX groupā€¦

You would want to join a group that is all together in communion with the Churchā€¦

at this time things are not fully sorted out ā€¦perhaps in the future things will be.

But I would not approach such at this point in time.
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Thanks, amico mio, šŸ™‚
 
While there is certainly nothing that is wrong with combining spiritualities, I do not think that is a good idea to join more than one community, even if it were possible to do so. You do not have to be formally part of a group to do things like they do. For instance, if you love the Franciscans, you might begin a devotion to St. Francis (he is so loveable anyway; who you would not want to talk to him?) and spent time helping the poor (e.g. work at a soup-kitchen). If you are interested in the Carmelites, you could wear the Brown Scapular, pray to Our Lady of Mount Carmel and other associate saints (Elias, Eliseus, Joseph, John the Baptist, etc.), and attempt contemplation. All this being said, you should do not start neglecting your responsibilities as a Benedictine oblate.
 
Again, I do not fully understand. :blush:Joining the carmelite oblates would keep me busy (as it has for the past 25 years), so the desire to join another spirituality would be the farthest from my mind. I did also get into St Ignatius so I could learn through the exercises: self-knowledge, etc, but other than thatā€¦maybe I am quite thick!!!šŸ¤·
 
Luigi_Daniele said:
I love the Bennies very, very much.

Love the Franciscans, too.

I will figure this out.

:).
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I strongly suggest that you work with your Spiritual Director and your Oblate Director.

As this is cropping up in your novitate with the Oblates it could be a case of ā€œcold feetā€ or it could be a sign of something deeper,
 
ByzCath said:
I strongly suggest that you work with your Spiritual Director and your Oblate Director.

As this is cropping up in your novitate with the Oblates it could be a case of ā€œcold feetā€ or it could be a sign of something deeper,
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Thanks šŸ™‚

Donā€™t think itā€™s cold feet, really. šŸ™‚
 
I have had trouble to get in to an order because I am to old. But that didnā€™t stop our Lord from calling us. Now if men over , 35, 45, 50 all cut off ages, become a third order and take vows then live in community and call it a semi cloister, (They my have to work and come back) can they wear a habit. they would live on there own money. We would do and act just as a real cloister, monastery, or abbey. ( for prayers) What do you think?
 
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