I don’t think they are excommunicated anymoreMaybe my understanding is a bit different than yours but, how can you be Traditional yet associate with the SSPX whose clergy are excommunicated?
Although not many, there are parishes that have the Latin Mass that are in full communion. If I find the website that lists them all according to state I’ll post it.
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Probably. Yeah, and soft traditionalists like “level headed” traditionalistsDid you mean non-fundamental rather than non-traditional?
I know fssp does, but sspx is different, so I was wondering I the same diverity of thought exists, or if the sspx is pretty much a monolithfilius Immacula, are you looking for an individual who meets this description or a group of people? for fellowship or just curiosity or…? You’re likelier to find the sort you describe in the FSSP.
I’m doubtful you’d feel comfortable with SSPX folks based on what you’ve said you accept. But if you learn a bit more about them on traditional Catholic forums (Google that phrase – CAF is NOT what I’m referring to) or traditional Catholic radio (again, Google it), I’m guessing you’d find your answer pretty quickly.Are there any non-traditionalist, or soft traditionalists, that go to sspx. By this i mean people who accept Vatican 2 and Vatican 2 concepts, like ecumenism and religious freedom and the like, that just prefer the traditional sacraments and community. Laity or clergy.
They are definitely still excommunicated.I don’t think they are excommunicated anymore
I’d be grateful for your source on this. My understanding is that four bishops were excommunicated by JPII and these excommunications were lifted by Pope Benedict in 2009.They are definitely still excommunicated.
That is correct. So much misinformation…I’d be grateful for your source on this. My understanding is that four bishops were excommunicated by JPII and these excommunications were lifted by Pope Benedict in 2009.
SSPX priests have never been excommunicated and the excommunications for the bishops were lifted 5 or 6 years ago. Now they might lack faculties and be in an irregular canonical status, but they are not excommunicated. As of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Pope Francis has granted them (and all priest) faculties to offer the sacrament of reconciliation during the Year of Mercy. He specifically calls out that confession with priests of the SSPX during this year would be valid and licit. This is in the second to last paragraph of the letter announcing the Year of Mercy (in English here). The Pope would not have done that if they were excommunicated.They are definitely still excommunicated.
I guess my source is outdated.SSPX priests have never been excommunicated and the excommunications for the bishops were lifted 5 or 6 years ago. Now they might lack faculties and be in an irregular canonical status, but they are not excommunicated. As of the Feast of the Immaculate Conception, Pope Francis has granted them (and all priest) faculties to offer the sacrament of reconciliation during the Year of Mercy. He specifically calls out that confession with priests of the SSPX during this year would be valid and licit. This is in the second to last paragraph of the letter announcing the Year of Mercy (in English here). The Pope would not have done that if they were excommunicated.
There are some that attend simply because they have no other option to attend the EF. I know that they struggle between obedience to their bishop and putting up with the shenanigans in their local parish. Most people I know that attend either SSPX or FFSP parishes initially do so because they are frustrated by loose liturgy and communities that seem to embrace lose moral standards in parish councils, etc.Are there any non-traditionalist, or soft traditionalists, that go to sspx. By this i mean people who accept Vatican 2 and Vatican 2 concepts, like ecumenism and religious freedom and the like, that just prefer the traditional sacraments and community. Laity or clergy.
"The remission of the excommunication was a measure taken in the field of ecclesiastical discipline: the individuals were freed from the burden of conscience constituted by the most serious of ecclesiastical penalties. This disciplinary level needs to be distinguished from the doctrinal level. The fact that the Society of Saint Pius X does not possess a canonical status in the Church is not, in the end, based on disciplinary but on doctrinal reasons. As long as the Society does not have a canonical status in the Church, its ministers do not exercise legitimate ministries in the Church. There needs to be a distinction, then, between the disciplinary level, which deals with individuals as such, and the doctrinal level, at which ministry and institution are involved. In order to make this clear once again: until the doctrinal questions are clarified, the Society has no canonical status in the Church, and its ministers – even though they have been freed of the ecclesiastical penalty – do not legitimately exercise any ministry in the Church."
w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/letters/2009/documents/hf_ben-xvi_let_20090310_remissione-scomunica.html
In his letter for the beginning of the Jubilee Year of Mercy, Pope Francis established that those who approach the priests of the Fraternity of St. Pius X (SSPX) for the Sacrament of Reconciliation “shall validly and licitly receive the absolution of their sins” during the Holy Year.
The Fraternity of St. Pius X - founded by Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre - is in an irregular situation, and the priests belonging to the Society do not have the proper faculties to hear confessions.
The letter of Pope Francis was addressed to Archbishop Rino Fisichella, President of the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization.
He said Pope Francis is “sensitive to the discomfort” of many of the faithful, including those who “do not have the certainty of obtaining forgiveness.”
“The Pope assures them: those who come near to celebrate the sacrament of reconciliation with the priests of the Fraternity of St. Pius X will have to be certain that they were absolved from their sins,” Archbishop Fisichella told Vatican Radio.
He said the Pope’s actions show “mercy really is coextensive with the whole life of the Church.”
en.radiovaticana.va/news/2015/09/01/pope_francis_confessions_of_sspx_licit_during_jubilee/1168912In addition to allowing the faithful to licitly receive absolution from the Fraternity, Pope Francis said he has been told by several bishops of the “good faith and sacramental practice” of those attending the Fraternity’s churches, and said he trusts “that in the near future solutions may be found to recover full communion with the priests and superiors of the Fraternity.”
Only makes sense, as hearing confessions is what priests are ordained to do, among other things, of course.