North Carolina voters ban gay marriage, civil unions

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Julia_Mae said:
Every argument made here is based on religion. Trying to make other people adhere to our religious beliefs is wrong. Do you think it’s right?

If the Jews gain power, is it okay if they get a law passed saying all male babies must be circumcised? If Muslims become the majority will you stop driving because it’s a sin for women to do so?
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And a misunderstanding of the matter at hand it seems. This is not something that is a “Christian issue” (or to be more specific here “a Catholic issue”) If the Church was seeking a law that everyone had to memorize the Catechism – that would be more of a “Catholic issue”.
 
Julia_Mae said:
Trying to make other people adhere to our religious beliefs is wrong. Do you think it’s right?
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Henry: “Hey you Jews and Christians – I object! You should make people adhere to your religious beliefs! Your 10 Commandments say “thou shalt not kill (murder)” --but I being a radical Satanist who believes in human sacrifice do not think you ought to impose your beliefs on me…they are all YOUR religions! --and Do not give me all that “natural law” **** – real natural law is kill or be killed --so we kill. That is my belief …it is simply not right for you to impose such on me…”
 
Bookcat said:
"President Obama’s comments today in support of the redefinition of marriage are deeply saddening. As I stated in my public letter to the President on September 20, 2011, the Catholic Bishops stand ready to affirm every positive measure taken by the President and the Administration to strengthen marriage and the family.

However, we cannot be silent in the face of words or actions that would undermine the institution of marriage, the very cornerstone of our society. The people of this country, especially our children, deserve better.

Unfortunately, President Obama’s words today are not surprising since they follow upon various actions already taken by his Administration that erode or ignore the unique meaning of marriage.

I pray for the President every day, and will continue to pray that he and his Administration act justly to uphold and protect marriage as the union of one man and one woman. May we all work to promote and protect marriage and by so doing serve the true good of all persons."

Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York

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Everyone has said everything they have to say at least six times or more, as far as I can see. No one is listening to the other side. I see no reason to keep repeating myself, except to say: it’s just like the last civil rights issue. One side is sure they are defending God’s Law or natural law or whatever. The other side believes that freedom equals charity and the right to choose for yourself is sacrosanct.

I predict, unless we lose our democracy a together, a serious threat right now, gay marriage as it is called, will be commonplace and accepted.

So, I’m done. Y’all get the last 5000 words.
 
Julia_Mae said:
Everyone has said everything they have to say at least six times or more, as far as I can see. No one is listening to the other side. I see no reason to keep repeating myself, except to say: it’s just like the last civil rights issue. One side is sure they are defending God’s Law or natural law or whatever. The other side believes that freedom equals charity and the right to choose for yourself is sacrosanct.

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Civil rights issue?

Not even close.

Yes we are certain – that we are defending the very nature of Marriage --which is of extreme importance to society and yes it is part of Natural Law…and as Christians we yes are quite aware of God’s Law here and the nature of true charity and freedom.
 
ASimon said:
To me, it doesn’t look like anything BUT a civil rights issue.
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If there is no possible good right here --there is no civil rights issue.

No one has a right to “marry” a member of the same sex…or a child or his mother or just whoever they please.

Nor would my claim that I have a “civil right” to all the gold in Fort Knox --amount to an actual “civil rights issue”.
 
Bookcat said:
If there is no possible good right here --there is no civil rights issue.
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I’m not sure that this is the real standard, but even if it was, marriage certainly qualifies.

Leaving aside the clear implication that gays shouldn’t be able to marry because their relationships are inherently inferior, why wouldn’t gays being married serve the same purpose on society as straights being married?

There’s a practical (and not insignificant) obstacle to a relationship ending when the principles are legally bound. Divorce is expensive and a hassle. Breaking up when you’re not legally bound together is comparatively easy. So, in a world where gay and lesbian couples are not legally prohibited from adopting children, or having them through artificial insemination, why is it not a net positive to allow gay couples access to the same legal ties as straight couples?
 
Ronald_E said:
It is ignorance of how to treat others that sickens me.
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I find it amusing that people will make any excuse to defend people who kick over the hornets nest by blaming the hornets for stinging them.
rossum said:
That argument was rejected by the US Supreme Court in Loving v Virginia. Everyone had exactly the same rights to marry someone of the same race. You would do well to find a better argument to base yourself on.

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Actually it was upheld by the court in Reynolds v. United States. Why aren’t you screaming to have this overthrown?
 
Arkeaus said:
Very, very sad. In 50-100 years everyone will look back on this with the same distaste as racism.

Oh, well, just another state that I’m never visiting if I can help it.

Also, OP; really? A DANCING EMOTICON? Yes, you can still get married in NC, just like you could before. The only thing this accomplished is banning marriage between two people of the same sex. I find it very… sad? I can’t even think of a word - deplorable that you can be so overjoyed that you beat back those icky gays and their agenda.

Again, it wasn’t your rights in question, it was those of gays. And you’re overjoyed you were able to deny them marriage rights.

You make me sick.
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What was banned was marriage. Period.
Now, if gays want to arrange another word for their actions, no problem with me.
Now, Marriage, no!
It is like calling and elephant by the name of a pine-tree.
 
Ronald_E said:
We Catholics and other Christians cannot keep our own house in order and then we try to tell other people what to do and what is right. It sickens me also. From 1Cor 5:9-13 “…But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolator, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber…For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within? God will judge those outside…”
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I am joining to gays, no problem.
But I would not call them marriage of the same sex.
Why not call it a Society instead of Marriage?
 
Orogeny said:
A gay man has exactly the same right to marry as I do. I’m not sure what you are suggesting. There is no restrictions that exist for homosexuals that don’t apply equally to me.

Peace

Tim
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Marry, no.
The French President presented her Companion as Companion, not my wife.
Words are to be uses.
If there are gay marriages, who is the wife and who is the husband?
 
Ronald_E said:
We Catholics and other Christians cannot keep our own house in order and then we try to tell other people what to do and what is right. It sickens me also. From 1Cor 5:9-13 “…But I now write to you not to associate with anyone named a brother, if he is immoral, greedy, an idolator, a slanderer, a drunkard, or a robber…For why should I be judging outsiders? Is it not your business to judge those within? God will judge those outside…”
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We cannot keep our house in order for 2000 years?
How come?
 
ASimon said:
If they want to start a movement to get polygamous incest marriage legalized, they should feel free. Right alongside the widows who want to marry their cats, and the hemp-wearing hippie who wants to marry a tree.

Meanwhile, you’ll forgive me if I prefer to stay on topic - with the million of homosexual couples across America being told that their love is less legitimate than their straight counterparts.
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As long as guys do not call it “marriage”…
 
ASimon said:
You do, actually. Presuming you don’t love your wife (and even if you still do), you have the legal right to divorce and marry another woman that you love.

A gay man can’t get legally divorced from someone he loves. Because a gay man can’t legally MARRY someone he loves.
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What about not calling that “marriage”?
 
rossum said:
You have the right to pursue happiness by marrying the person you love. A gay man does not have that right in much of America. The right to pursue happiness is written into the constitution.

rossum
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The gay has rights as long as does not call it “marriage”
 
rossum said:
So, you agree that children are not the fundamental point of marriage. What is your reason for denying gays the possibility of a civil marriage?

rossum
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Because for a marriage you need a man and a woman.
 
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