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Are you too not completely surprised by the SHOOTING this morning of a number of Republicans including Majority whip Senator Steve Scalise?

After all we recently saw on public media the beheading of our President as a “joke”; and multiple democrats [who in an absolute sense on the National Level, proudly beat their chest for unlimited Abortion [MURDER] in any language; to the point of threatening that ALL National DEMOCRATIC candidates MUST fully support their agenda or face NO NATIONAL SUPPORT.

What a sad commentary on AMERICA, home of what use to be FREEDOM of religion!

How sad the once “peoples party” has fallen into disgrace:eek::eek:

May GOD have mercy on them and their leaders

Patrick
 
Perhaps the media will someday revert to informing instead of inciting.
 
This is what the left is devolving into. The shooter was a Bernie supporter.
 
I was a democrat for close to 20 years. Long before I was Catholic. You couldn’t pay me to be a member of the democrat party today.
I also unregistered from a 25 year affiliation with the republican party after last November’s election. So officially, I am party less right now.
That doesn’t mean I won’t reregister as a republican if I see a good candidate in 2020.
I have no respect for the beliefs of the democrat party or their mean spirited and
vicious tactics.
 
thephilosopher6 said:
This is what the left is devolving into. The shooter was a Bernie supporter.
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Who had no problem getting a gun, as easily (apparently) as picking up a loaf of bread at the supermarket. This tragedy could have been avoided had IL or/and VA had decent firearm legislation, no? Enough is enough - at what point will people stop obsessing over the stupid Second Amendment? This guy wasn’t in any well-regulated militia.
 
Were you this vocal when there were just as hateful and violent demonstrations against Obama? Or Bush? Or Clinton? And did you consider those disturbing symbols as representative of the entire party and ideals? I’ve been active on this forum for a long time and I don’t recall anyone mentioning any of the multitude of the very real and very life-like effigies of President Obama being lynched.

Or should the right wing be demonized for Loughner opening fire on Congresswoman Gifford? Or Kaczynski setting off bombs, and McVeigh and Nichols blowing up Oklahoma City Federal Building? How about the numerous threats and plots to assassinate President Obama?

How ghoulish to use this tragedy to bang your political drum.
 
Rhubarb said:
Were you this vocal when there were just as hateful and violent demonstrations against Obama? Or Bush? Or Clinton? And did you consider those disturbing symbols as representative of the entire party and ideals? I’ve been active on this forum for a long time and I don’t recall anyone mentioning any of the multitude of the very real and very life-like effigies of President Obama being lynched.

Or should the right wing be demonized for Loughner opening fire on Congresswoman Gifford? Or Kaczynski setting off bombs, and McVeigh and Nichols blowing up Oklahoma City Federal Building? How about the numerous threats and plots to assassinate President Obama?

How ghoulish to use this tragedy to bang your political drum.
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Kaczynski was an Ivy-League graduate.

As I recall, Loughner also hated Bush and Bill Clinton blamed talk radio for OKC.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Kaczynski was an Ivy-League graduate.

As I recall, Loughner also hated Bush and Bill Clinton blamed talk radio for OKC.
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I don’t know what being a graduate has to do with anything. His manifesto was exceptionally right-wing. Like… so far to the right it seems like a parody.

And Loughner was insane. But his writings and media diet was almost exclusively conservative.

My point wasn’t to bash conservatives. My point is that it’s foolish to paint with broad brushes regardless of which side one’s on.
 
randomuser said:
Who had no problem getting a gun, as easily (apparently) as picking up a loaf of bread at the supermarket. This tragedy could have been avoided had IL or/and VA had decent firearm legislation, no? Enough is enough - at what point will people stop obsessing over the stupid Second Amendment? This guy wasn’t in any well-regulated militia.
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He could have just as easily used a knife, or a homemade bomb which would have even done more damage! Besides, guns can be purchased underground. Criminals are criminals and they don’t care about the law.

And mind you, the second amendment isn’t "stupid.’ Have some respect!
 
Rhubarb said:
Were you this vocal when there were just as hateful and violent demonstrations against Obama? Or Bush? Or Clinton? And did you consider those disturbing symbols as representative of the entire party and ideals? I’ve been active on this forum for a long time and I don’t recall anyone mentioning any of the multitude of the very real and very life-like effigies of President Obama being lynched.

Or should the right wing be demonized for Loughner opening fire on Congresswoman Gifford? Or Kaczynski setting off bombs, and McVeigh and Nichols blowing up Oklahoma City Federal Building? How about the numerous threats and plots to assassinate President Obama?

How ghoulish to use this tragedy to bang your political drum.
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I’m not surprised this happened either, but I also sadly wouldn’t be surprised if the next time (and I can almost guarantee there will BE a next time) it’s a Democrat being attacked by a right-wing nut.

Or maybe the next time there will be a bipartisan mass assassination attempt against “Establishment politicians” regardless of party by someone who just hates all politicians and thinks they deserve to die en masse. Bomb in the Capitol, maybe. Or just some K street pub.

I do think the overall tenor of public discourse is becoming coarser by the day. But on the other hand no one finds it appropriate for rival politicians to resolve their differences in a duel (Burr vs Hamilton, of course). Or to beat up your rivals on the Senate floor the way Preston Brooks attacked Charles Sumner, way back when (pre-Civil War to be exact).

So there probably is some “the sky is falling on this generation” angsting going on too.
 
The thing that bugged me was the NPR report: They interviewed someone who said
“He wasn’t a violent guy! He got into some fights with other men, but he wasn’t violent!”
:confused:
:eek:
fighting=violence people. :mad:
 
pianistclare said:
The thing that bugged me was the NPR report: They interviewed someone who said
“He wasn’t a violent guy! He got into some fights with other men, but he wasn’t violent!”
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fighting=violence people. :mad:
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Expect more of that. If it’s a left winger or a Muslim, the mainstream media will bend over backwards to downplay it.

This should be a wake-up call to Americans regardless of what their party is.
 
randomuser said:
Who had no problem getting a gun, as easily (apparently) as picking up a loaf of bread at the supermarket. This tragedy could have been avoided had IL or/and VA had decent firearm legislation, no? Enough is enough - at what point will people stop obsessing over the stupid Second Amendment? This guy wasn’t in any well-regulated militia.
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Yeah, cause that worked so well where all the other mass-shootings occurred where guns were BANNED.
 
Not surprised at all. College students shut down their campus because a white professor refused to leave for a “day of absence”. Then there’s the whole deal with Kathy Griffin and Shakespeare in the Park. Celebrities saying that they have thought about blowing up the White House. Then that music video where a clown dressed like Trump was shot. Neighborhoods get torn apart and cars torched whenever a minority is involved in an officer involved shooting (regardless of actual guilt, it seems). I could go on.

I’m surprised something like this didn’t happen earlier. I will be surprised if things don’t get a whole lot worse. I think we might get into martial law territory (or close to it) within a few years if people don’t learn to control themselves.
 
SuperLuigi said:
Expect more of that. If it’s a left winger or a Muslim, the mainstream media will bend over backwards to downplay it.

This should be a wake-up call to Americans regardless of what their party is.
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nope. Actually he was a Bernie Sanders supporter is what they are reporting.
Said his FB page was pretty rabid.
 
randomuser said:
Who had no problem getting a gun, as easily (apparently) as picking up a loaf of bread at the supermarket. This tragedy could have been avoided had IL or/and VA had decent firearm legislation, no? Enough is enough - at what point will people stop obsessing over the stupid Second Amendment? This guy wasn’t in any well-regulated militia.
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It isn’t as easy as you think if he got his rifle legally. There is a good chance he had his rifle for a long time before one had to register it. The same with the hand gun. To own a weapon legally you must go through a background check and take a course in safety as well as pay a good fee for registration. My guess is that at age 66 he may have had his arms for a long time or gotten them illegally. My family have always had firearms, but they didn’t go out and harm someone. If someone wants to hurt others they will find some way to do it. I think a bigger crime happened when the Gove. closed the doors of most mental hospitals to save money. Or we could become like a few other countries and take away self defense in any form. I am not for gun violence, but for better care for people with emotional problems. I could go on, but I won’t. Peace.
 
A lot of things shouldn’t be surprising unfortunately. Many have made Western culture crasser, cruder and more vitriolic and then using free speech as a defence. The bar is lowered with each passing year. Instead of pushing limits how about quality and some thought?
Self-restraint is seen as oppressive, life is about pleasing one’s self. How can some not see the consequences?
And people aren’t naturally immune to the effects of others and media and can be quite impressionable.
 
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