Not really. You have to remember that this is, prima facie, a forum. That means, by its nature, there is always permission to rebut/retort/refute.
Just for fun I went to youtube to see if there were any videos that spoke to this.
And here’s a bunch of websites that also discuss how Catholics need to “see the light” and are heathens.
I like that.
I have no problem with debate and refutation. I am a lawyer; I get paid to have people call me crazy (I mean, wrong) and vice-verse. And most of us lawyers (where I live anyway) even like each other afterwards!
Just for fun I went to youtube to see if there were any videos that spoke to this.
Check out all these videos that say Catholics are to be avoided.
youtube.com/results?search_query=catholics+are+not+christians&oq=catholics+&gs_l=youtube.1.9.0l10.1475.7471.0.12640.31.20.10.0.0.0.769.2817.9j9j1j6-1.20.0…0.0…1ac.1.2Efs_nLht2A
So it’s not really just a few crazies out there. There’s quite a few of them.
Just sayin’…
Also, for fun you might want to read the comments that people make against the Catholic Church in the video comments section.
I think you’ll change your mind after reviewing just a few of them.
And here’s a bunch of websites that also discuss how Catholics need to “see the light” and are heathens.
google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_nf=3&gs_rn=0&gs_ri=hp&gs_mss=catholics%20not%20c&tok=rnueoaUPcy-87WXtBs42fQ&cp=23&gs_id=2sh&xhr=t&q=catholics+not+christians&pf=p&tbo=d&sclient=psy-ab&oq=catholics+not+christias&gs_l=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=2718ce69d82b4cd3&bpcl=39650382&biw=1143&bih=647
Now, I have no doubt that your circle of Christians do not feel any animus towards Catholics.
However, to say that it’s only reserved to a few crazies to is be uninformed.
Why doesn’t it constructively contribute to ecumenical dialogue?
Oh, you’ll get rebutted. But you’ll need to re-rebutI try to limit my posts to “what do protestants think about . . .,” why do protestants … , what do methodists believe about" …, etc. If someone wants to rebut, please send my fee to . . .
, in order to provide a reason for the hope that you have.[sigh]. Not about keeping score or one-upping.
I know a lot has been said to this point but I thought I would return to the OP.
I could see how it might be considered uncharitable. But it is true that some non-Catholics have never met a knowledgable Catholic that knows their faith and their scriptures. When they discover that we do, the no longer feel a need to stay or debate, since they discover that we are, indeed, Christian.
You might wish to read the forum rules on this point. You are correct, but there is a lot more covered under the purpose of this subforum.my answer is two fold
First. I enjoy learning about Catholicism. Do I agree with everything it teaches? Of course not; if i did I would join the Catholic Church
Second, I thought this sub-forum (I do not post on any other forum of this site since they are Catholic forums) was for Catholics to learn about “non-catholic religions” which I thought meant having protestants answer questions from Catholics; not debating – not denigrating (that would be rude} but answering, which means of course most here will probably disagree with the answer in the sense that it is not Catholic teaching, but you asked “what do protestants think?”
Yes there are many Catholics who misunderstand Protestant theology, just as there are Protestants who misunderstand Catholics. Hopefully all of us are willing to be corrected.
A good example of why it is not possible to make broad sweeping generalizations from a personal expereince that may be very limited.
I am glad you have not, but it does happen.
I think I must be misunderstanding what you are saying here, because a statement like you have made above would never be heard on a Catholic radio station. If it were, they would be taken off the air. such a statement is a gross denial of Catholic theology and doctrine.
Amen!
I know a lot has been said to this point but I thought I would return to the OP.
There is a great deal of what I would call “hard sell” on CAF, where someone expects a Protestant to convert either by the end of the thread, the post or within four hours. We pick up on a lot of “now why don’t you become Catholic now” vibes, and frankly I for one get tired of it. If you go to the car dealer to look at all the new neat cars and the salesman follows you around with a sales contract and continually asks you to close, pretty soon you go elsewhere.
I find there are a lot of well educated and thoughtful Catholics here. There is a lot I appreciate, perhaps even love, about the Catholic Church and I enjoy a good discussion. At the same time I really hate argument and debate, a recent realization. I would rather enjoy a good cup of coffee with someone and discuss something quietly than have a boxing match. Perhaps that is a gender thing. I love PRMerger’s approach of inviting someone to their backyard porch for a BBQ. I would rather be friends than be BBQ’d.
BUT there are lot of pushy types here, and if I post here, I am always braced for an ugly post that barely passes the forum rules in terms of politeness or challenges my loyalty to Christ or something that you would NEVER say in polite conversation. I have seen way too many. I recognize this is an apologetics ministry of the Catholic Church and I accept that; that is not a license or excuse to drive people away with what are offensive threads against someone’s deeply held and cherished beliefs or otherwise be rude for the sake of dragging, triumphantly, someone’s bruised and battered soul across the Tiber.
People here need to consider that too much of a hard sell WILL drive people away. Threads that start out with something like “Protestants, What the ---- is Wrong With You?” don’t help. Neither does the sort of triumphalism that is so often encountered that assumes from the getgo that Catholics are right and stupid Protestants just need to wake up.
It really is insulting to assume that Protestants cannot debate knowledgeable Catholics. That sort of attitude is an example of why a lot of people don’t stick around here. It’s no fun to hear too much of that.
I’m all thumbs…up.I know a lot has been said to this point but I thought I would return to the OP.
There is a great deal of what I would call “hard sell” on CAF, where someone expects a Protestant to convert either by the end of the thread, the post or within four hours. We pick up on a lot of “now why don’t you become Catholic now” vibes, and frankly I for one get tired of it. If you go to the car dealer to look at all the new neat cars and the salesman follows you around with a sales contract and continually asks you to close, pretty soon you go elsewhere.
I find there are a lot of well educated and thoughtful Catholics here. There is a lot I appreciate, perhaps even love, about the Catholic Church and I enjoy a good discussion. At the same time I really hate argument and debate, a recent realization. I would rather enjoy a good cup of coffee with someone and discuss something quietly than have a boxing match. Perhaps that is a gender thing. I love PRMerger’s approach of inviting someone to their backyard porch for a BBQ. I would rather be friends than be BBQ’d.
BUT there are lot of pushy types here, and if I post here, I am always braced for an ugly post that barely passes the forum rules in terms of politeness or challenges my loyalty to Christ or something that you would NEVER say in polite conversation. I have seen way too many. I recognize this is an apologetics ministry of the Catholic Church and I accept that; that is not a license or excuse to drive people away with what are offensive threads against someone’s deeply held and cherished beliefs or otherwise be rude for the sake of dragging, triumphantly, someone’s bruised and battered soul across the Tiber.
People here need to consider that too much of a hard sell WILL drive people away. Threads that start out with something like “Protestants, What the ---- is Wrong With You?” don’t help. Neither does the sort of triumphalism that is so often encountered that assumes from the getgo that Catholics are right and stupid Protestants just need to wake up.
It really is insulting to assume that Protestants cannot debate knowledgeable Catholics. That sort of attitude is an example of why a lot of people don’t stick around here. It’s no fun to hear too much of that.
I had to go back a page to see what Bill was talking about. Unfortunately, I have seen, many times over, what he was referring to. I don’t listen to a Catholic radio station, but I see it here and elsewhere on the internet.
Could you direct us to (multiple) posts by Catholics here that declare that a non-Catholic is destined for hell?
And amenI could see how it might be considered uncharitable. But it is true that some non-Catholics have never met a knowledgable Catholic that knows their faith and their scriptures. When they discover that we do, the no longer feel a need to stay or debate, since they discover that we are, indeed, Christian.
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Amen!
Yes, I just came across several posts along the lines of this again tonight. I will PM you for now, PR—they were in a thread wherein several posters were talking unkindly about a well-known Catholic person, and I don’t wish to draw attention to that misbegotten thread.
I will be the first to admit that there are many poorly catechized Catholics. I used to be one myself. It would not surprise me to learn that one of them thought Protestants are the same as Pagans, Heathens, or something else. I have read some grievious errors on this board, and witnessed just as much uncharity from Catholics as non-Catholics.
Do you understand why we believe the Apostles believed and taught that outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation?
I don’t know about that particular instance. I DO know, however, that often the subtleties of Catholic belief are, well, subtle and are lost on Protestants unfamiliar with those subtleties, lost in a foreign culture as it were when he wanders into Catholic thought. Likewise I have seen Catholics miss subtleties in Protestant thought, so it cuts both ways.
I could see how it might be considered uncharitable. But it is true that some non-Catholics have never met a knowledgable Catholic that knows their faith and their scriptures. When they discover that we do, the no longer feel a need to stay or debate, since they discover that we are, indeed, Christian.
You might wish to read the forum rules on this point. You are correct, but there is a lot more covered under the purpose of this subforum.my answer is two fold
First. I enjoy learning about Catholicism. Do I agree with everything it teaches? Of course not; if i did I would join the Catholic Church
Second, I thought this sub-forum (I do not post on any other forum of this site since they are Catholic forums) was for Catholics to learn about “non-catholic religions” which I thought meant having protestants answer questions from Catholics; not debating – not denigrating (that would be rude} but answering, which means of course most here will probably disagree with the answer in the sense that it is not Catholic teaching, but you asked “what do protestants think?”
Truthstalker—You make a very good point about nuances in another group’s beliefs being lost, whether it’s Catholic or non-Catholic nuances.