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adf417
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Just wondering from the different traditions out there, Is not attending church service on Sunday considered a sin or not? Please elaborate as to why it is or is not.
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Vico
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Not participating may be a grave sin depending upon the reason. Catechism:Just wondering from the different traditions out there, Is not attending church service on Sunday considered a sin or not? Please elaborate as to why it is or is not.
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2181 The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor.119 Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.
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psalm90
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I don’t have a problem with going to church on sunday, but I have a form of PTSD and I have a stress trigger – people talking before Mass and during Mass – and distracting me.
the Mass is so important, and it drives me crazy – I’m no longer participating in Mass – when there are people talking around me. There are people talking out loud in our local small adoration chapel, even though it is POSTED that there should be silence in this chapel.
Read Canon Law, canons 1200 through about 1206, as I recall – what it says about “sacred places.” Read GIRM 45 which recommends that there be silence before Mass, to properly prepare ourselves for what is about to happen.
I complained to my Bishop about this and asked for a dispensation from Mass, which he would not grant. But, he said that if I didn’t go to Mass, I didn’t have to confess it.
I have tried using very good earplugs before Mass or listening to the Rosary on an MP3 player, to stay focused on something holy. My last resort is to decide in advance, that I will not be able to worship properly. I have sometimes made that decision based on what happened the most recent times I have attended Mass – surely I can’t see the future and what would happen. But, when I go to church, it usually happens that way – very chatty people, and loud too. The bishop questioned how I would have access to the Eucharist. I make the same attempt to attend Mass on a weekday, for that purpose.
Various priests themselves ignore Canon Law and GIRM 45, to tell jokes, etc. before Mass.
Note, that the canons I referred to above, don’t say anything about whether the Blessed Sacrament is in repose in a tabernacle. That’s not what triggers the canon; it’s just being IN the sacred place. It’s all the MORE irritating to me when people are talking, laughing, and so forth when we are in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. Most of the people in my parish are older people, who grew up with the discipline of the nuns in Catholic school, who should know better how to behave in church.
Look up paragraph 1735 in the catechism for other related information.
the Mass is so important, and it drives me crazy – I’m no longer participating in Mass – when there are people talking around me. There are people talking out loud in our local small adoration chapel, even though it is POSTED that there should be silence in this chapel.
Read Canon Law, canons 1200 through about 1206, as I recall – what it says about “sacred places.” Read GIRM 45 which recommends that there be silence before Mass, to properly prepare ourselves for what is about to happen.
I complained to my Bishop about this and asked for a dispensation from Mass, which he would not grant. But, he said that if I didn’t go to Mass, I didn’t have to confess it.
I have tried using very good earplugs before Mass or listening to the Rosary on an MP3 player, to stay focused on something holy. My last resort is to decide in advance, that I will not be able to worship properly. I have sometimes made that decision based on what happened the most recent times I have attended Mass – surely I can’t see the future and what would happen. But, when I go to church, it usually happens that way – very chatty people, and loud too. The bishop questioned how I would have access to the Eucharist. I make the same attempt to attend Mass on a weekday, for that purpose.
Various priests themselves ignore Canon Law and GIRM 45, to tell jokes, etc. before Mass.
Note, that the canons I referred to above, don’t say anything about whether the Blessed Sacrament is in repose in a tabernacle. That’s not what triggers the canon; it’s just being IN the sacred place. It’s all the MORE irritating to me when people are talking, laughing, and so forth when we are in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. Most of the people in my parish are older people, who grew up with the discipline of the nuns in Catholic school, who should know better how to behave in church.
Look up paragraph 1735 in the catechism for other related information.
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psalm90
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Another point about your question. Mass is not considered a “service.” In the Latin Rite, it is called the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and in other rites of the Church it is referred to as the Divine Liturgy (which I like better).Just wondering from the different traditions out there, Is not attending church service on Sunday considered a sin or not? Please elaborate as to why it is or is not.
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Someone will find the verse before I do, where it says in Hebrews, not to neglect the coming together for worship. Worshiping God on the Sabbath (in the Old Testament) and on Sundays (in NT times), is a divine command.
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psalm90
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We should not merely GO to Mass on Sunday. That doesn’t really fulfill our obligation. We are supposed to really participate (including a lot of attentive listening) at Mass.
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jane_doe
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Not at all. To my knowledge, the only church who views missing services as a sin is Catholic. Rest of churches view it as a missed opportunity for growth, but not a sin.Just wondering from the different traditions out there, Is not attending church service on Sunday considered a sin or not? Please elaborate as to why it is or is not.
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Lenten_ashes
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I believe the Orthodox are pretty strict on this well. So much so that it is possible to ex-communicate yourself if you continually do it w/o a good reason.Not at all. To my knowledge, the only church who views missing services as a sin is Catholic. Rest of churches view it as a missed opportunity for growth, but not a sin.
But that’s just what I heard.
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Peter_J
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I would add that, even within Catholicism, my bishop could give me a dispensation to miss mass.Not at all. To my knowledge, the only church who views missing services as a sin is Catholic.
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jane_doe
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Admittedly, Orthodoxy is not a faith I know much about.I believe the Orthodox are pretty strict on this well. So much so that it is possible to ex-communicate yourself if you continually do it w/o a good reason.
But that’s just what I heard.
Note: the idea of a “dispensation” is fairly unique to Catholicism. I don’t know any Protestant or other Christian faith which as such an idea. Again- I don’t really know Orthodox.I would add that, even within Catholicism, my bishop could give me a dispensation to miss mass.
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Peter_J
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Fair enough. But if you change that word to “permission” in my post, the point is basically the same.Note: the idea of a “dispensation” is fairly unique to Catholicism. I don’t know any Protestant or other Christian faith which as such an idea. Again- I don’t really know Orthodox.
Perhaps even better, I could have pointed out that Ascension Thursday is a Holy Day of Obligation in some parts of the USA, but not in others.
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utah_rose
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I don’t have a problem with going to church on sunday, but I have a form of PTSD and I have a stress trigger – people talking before Mass and during Mass – and distracting me.
the Mass is so important, and it drives me crazy – I’m no longer participating in Mass – when there are people talking around me. There are people talking out loud in our local small adoration chapel, even though it is POSTED that there should be silence in this chapel.
Read Canon Law, canons 1200 through about 1206, as I recall – what it says about “sacred places.” Read GIRM 45 which recommends that there be silence before Mass, to properly prepare ourselves for what is about to happen.
I complained to my Bishop about this and asked for a dispensation from Mass, which he would not grant. But, he said that if I didn’t go to Mass, I didn’t have to confess it.
Is there a Traditional Mass nearby In a parish you could attend? Most are quiet and more reverent and wouldn’t distract you as much. You might also suggest that perhaps your parish could post a Silence sign on the front door that may remind people not to be chatting. A neighboring parish does this.
I have tried using very good earplugs before Mass or listening to the Rosary on an MP3 player, to stay focused on something holy. My last resort is to decide in advance, that I will not be able to worship properly. I have sometimes made that decision based on what happened the most recent times I have attended Mass – surely I can’t see the future and what would happen. But, when I go to church, it usually happens that way – very chatty people, and loud too. The bishop questioned how I would have access to the Eucharist. I make the same attempt to attend Mass on a weekday, for that purpose.
Various priests themselves ignore Canon Law and GIRM 45, to tell jokes, etc. before Mass.
Note, that the canons I referred to above, don’t say anything about whether the Blessed Sacrament is in repose in a tabernacle. That’s not what triggers the canon; it’s just being IN the sacred place. It’s all the MORE irritating to me when people are talking, laughing, and so forth when we are in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament. Most of the people in my parish are older people, who grew up with the discipline of the nuns in Catholic school, who should know better how to behave in church.
Look up paragraph 1735 in the catechism for other related information.
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jane_doe
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Not really.Fair enough. But if you change that word to “permission” in my post, the point is basically the same.
A non-Catholic would ask “why in the world do I need to ask permission to not go to church?”
“Holy Day of Obligation” is a Catholic concept and doesn’t really apply to non-Catholics.Perhaps even better, I could have pointed out that Ascension Thursday is a Holy Day of Obligation in some parts of the USA, but not in others.
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Wannano
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Peter, I am missing the point in your first sentence. Can you elaborate?Fair enough. But if you change that word to “permission” in my post, the point is basically the same.
Perhaps even better, I could have pointed out that Ascension Thursday is a Holy Day of Obligation in some parts of the USA, but not in others.
In your second sentence are you saying your geographical location determines whether or not it is a sin to miss Mass on that Thursday? Is that binding only on those who live in that part of the country or are visitors to that location also obligated if present on that day?
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adf417
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Sorry I was unclear…Another point about your question. Mass is not considered a “service.” In the Latin Rite, it is called the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, and in other rites of the Church it is referred to as the Divine Liturgy (which I like better).
Someone will find the verse before I do, where it says in Hebrews, not to neglect the coming together for worship. Worshiping God on the Sabbath (in the Old Testament) and on Sundays (in NT times), is a divine command.
Yes indeed, quite aware of the Catholic position on this topic which is why I put it in this sub forum. I also used the term “other traditions” as Im not aware a term that includes all non-catholics, except of course, non-catholics.
So let me clarify. Is it a sin or not for you, any non-catholics, to not attend your church service, liturgy, mass or whatever you call it on Sunday, Saturday,…? Is ther any obligation for you to attend said function at any time of the week, month, year…? How binding is this obligation? Is this no longer considered a commandment for you?
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Wannano
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No, it is not a sin. If by obligation you mean someone is keeping tabs on you, no. If you desire to go, there is no obligation. If you mean by"no longer considered a commandment" you mean the verses in Hebrews that says to not forsake or neglect the coming together for worship then I would say it never was a commandment that you can never miss a service. To me it says keep it a priority to attend faithfully.Sorry I was unclear…
Yes indeed, quite aware of the Catholic position on this topic which is why I put it in this sub forum. I also used the term “other traditions” as Im not aware a term that includes all non-catholics, except of course, non-catholics.
So let me clarify. Is it a sin or not for you, any non-catholics, to not attend your church service, liturgy, mass or whatever you call it on Sunday, Saturday,…? Is ther any obligation for you to attend said function at any time of the week, month, year…? How binding is this obligation? Is this no longer considered a commandment for you?
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CourtingTex
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Speaking personally, it is a sin, when I have chosen not to go to church because I want to pick and choice my conviction of the gospel/commandments.
EXCEPTIONS to consider those in the sickness business EMTs, doctors, nurses
Law enforcement officers and firefighters
Real sickness in the body
More as I ponder this further
EXCEPTIONS to consider those in the sickness business EMTs, doctors, nurses
Law enforcement officers and firefighters
Real sickness in the body
More as I ponder this further
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adf417
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Actually i was thinking more in the lines of the very last words in Matthew…“teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you…” with emphasis on “all”.No, it is not a sin. If by obligation you mean someone is keeping tabs on you, no. If you desire to go, there is no obligation. If you mean by"no longer considered a commandment" you mean the verses in Hebrews that says to not forsake or neglect the coming together for worship then I would say it never was a commandment that you can never miss a service. To me it says keep it a priority to attend faithfully.
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CourtingTex
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Further ----- the Sabbath (Sunday) is what the Lord has stated through his authorized servants (prophets — spokemen for God, who were called by him, did not choose themselves — best example (when Jesus Christ organized his church and called first Twelve apostles — he called them, they did not call themselves or say I will be a apostle)Sabbath worship (attending church) is what is necessary on the Lord’s day (Sabbath)
I recognize that others do not have this belief or practice, if you will, for that whatever historical or cultural basis/etc. That is their choice ---- no one is forced to go to the church on Sunday, regardless if you were me or anyone else
Church attendance or not attendance for me clearly shows if I am loyal/obedient to the gospel/law of God or not.
I recognize that others do not have this belief or practice, if you will, for that whatever historical or cultural basis/etc. That is their choice ---- no one is forced to go to the church on Sunday, regardless if you were me or anyone else
Church attendance or not attendance for me clearly shows if I am loyal/obedient to the gospel/law of God or not.
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Wannano
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Does it matter then to you what you do with the Sabbath once church is over? I know people who go to church early to get the obligation out of the road for just another day of activity.Further ----- the Sabbath (Sunday) is what the Lord has stated through his authorized servants (prophets — spokemen for God, who were called by him, did not choose themselves — best example (when Jesus Christ organized his church and called first Twelve apostles — he called them, they did not call themselves or say I will be a apostle)Sabbath worship (attending church) is what is necessary on the Lord’s day (Sabbath)
I recognize that others do not have this belief or practice, if you will, for that whatever historical or cultural basis/etc. That is their choice ---- no one is forced to go to the church on Sunday, regardless if you were me or anyone else
Church attendance or not attendance for me clearly shows if I am loyal/obedient to the gospel/law of God or not.
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Cor_ad_Cor
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I’ll just throw in my experience of 20-some years ago before I entered the Church, when I was a member of the (Campbellite) church of Christ (non)denomination.
Yes, church attendance was considered obligatory and debatably absence could rise to the level of sin at all 3 of our weekly services. However, it was all personal accountability; no confession or any other action required. It was presumed that you had prayed to God for forgiveness. The church there had no concept of correction beyond eternal damnation, so there wasn’t a real consequence for anyone to be concerned with on attendance outside of a man’s desire to rise into leadership positions (and not be pestered by people checking in on you for missing without telling them why).
Yes, church attendance was considered obligatory and debatably absence could rise to the level of sin at all 3 of our weekly services. However, it was all personal accountability; no confession or any other action required. It was presumed that you had prayed to God for forgiveness. The church there had no concept of correction beyond eternal damnation, so there wasn’t a real consequence for anyone to be concerned with on attendance outside of a man’s desire to rise into leadership positions (and not be pestered by people checking in on you for missing without telling them why).
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