Not just another CITH Thread...

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Why don’t you come to my parish, stand on the edge of the communion line and inspect the people’s hands?
I don’t need to. Enough evidence has been presented to prove particles fall to the ground from CITH and the risk of desecration is substantially increased.

If God is present in even the smallest particle why do we make an effort to protect God when a host falls and not the particles?

CITH makes a mockery of Transubstantiation. That’s why Protestants were in favour of it and why the Dutch who were in open dissention with the Church used it as a protest banner.
 
That’s a good thing. Doesn’t it make you wonder why the priest genuflects or bows during the Consecration yet the recepients at OFs don’t?
No. Because when the priest genuflects at consecration, every one of us is kneeling. Except maybe some of the elder people, but thats understandable.
 
I genuflect, but I make sure the time I take is about the same time for the priest to give Communion to the person on the other line.
The other line is the EMHC’s and they have their own problems of congestion that only exacerbate problems in the receiving area. Very sloppy.
 
The indult didn’t come from the Church. It came from independent councils of bishops. It was approved by the Church but only as an exception and with several conditions most as it seems are ignored.
Sorry, no matter how much you deny it, the indult came from the Church. Every approval of the indult comes with a Recognito of the Holy See.
 
No. Because when the priest genuflects at consecration, every one of us is kneeling. Except maybe some of the elder people, but thats understandable.
Not in every Mass. That’s why breaking from tradition and uniformity causes such grief.
 
The other line is the EMHC’s and they have their own problems of congestion that only exacerbate problems in the receiving area. Very sloppy.
I see. We have two lines for the priest in the middle. The two EMHCs take the sides. I always sit in the middle because there are posts in our church that if you sit on the sides may obstruct your view. So unless the middle pews are full, I never sit on the sides.

But even at my former parish were the 2 middle lines both have 1 priest per line, I do not take too long to genuflect. I start when the person in front of me has just received. I take roughly the same time to genuflect and approach than if I just approach. I make sure the genuflection is part of my forward motion.
 
We are all entitled to our own opinions. But the call whether its good or not is not ours to make.
Sure I can. I just did. If Christ is truly present in the host then changing over to CITH, standing, from a laywoman (+/- a bow) makes no sense.

Another poster makes a good point: if the priest has to be careful how he holds his hands and how he cleans out the chalice, then why can Mrs. Goodlady hand out hosts to other laypeople with no such ceremony?
 
Sure I can. I just did. If Christ is truly present in the host then changing over to CITH, standing, from a laywoman (+/- a bow) makes no sense.
No offense, but who gave you that authority?
Another poster makes a good point: if the priest has to be careful how he holds his hands and how he cleans out the chalice, then why can Mrs. Goodlady hand it out to another layperson with no such ceremony?
Our EMHCs are very careful and they wash their hands afterwards the same way the priest would.
 
No offense, but who gave you that authority?
Errr … it’s an internet forum?
Our EMHCs are very careful and they wash their hands afterwards the same way the priest would.
But I gathered from a previous poster that the priest does it before distribution? Also, the lay receivers can’t/don’t do any washing.

If Christ is truly present in the host then changing over from COTT, kneeling, from a priest, to CITH, standing, from a laywoman makes no sense.
 
Errr … it’s an internet forum?
If you’re stating it as a matter of your opinion, then I accept that its your opinion
But I gathered from a previous poster that the priest does it before distribution? Also, the lay receivers can’t/don’t do any washing.

If Christ is truly present in the host then changing over from COTT, kneeling, from a priest, to CITH, standing, from a laywoman makes no sense.
They also do it before. I didn’t bring it up because your concern is about the crumbs which obviously is not present in their hands before distribution.

You’re right, lay receivers cannot wash their hand during Mass. We trust that they come to Church with their hands clean. The same way, how can you be sure that those who receive COTT brushed their teeth and flossed? Wouldn’t food stuck between one’s teeth also be a defilement of the Sacred Host?
 
Consider the Lavabo prayer in the EF:

*I wash my hands in innocense, and I go around Your altar, O Lord,

Giving voice to my thanks, and recounting all Your wonderous deeds.

O Lord, I love the house in which You dwell, the tenting-place of Your glory.

Gather not my soul with those of sinners, nor with men of blood my life.

On their hands are crimes, and their right hands are full of bribes.

But I walk in integrity; redeem me, and have pity on me.

My foot stands on level ground, in the assemblies I will bless You, O Lord.*

Why does the priest say this prayer in the EF but not the OF? Even in the OF the priest says a shortened prayer and symbolically washed his hands. Yet, at Communion, a member of the laity who has not said any form of this prayer nor washed his/her hands symbolically distributes the Blessed Sacrament into the hands of another member of the laity who also didn’t pray the Lavabo.

Doesn’t the OF form make the Lavabo redundant?
But slow down here, deacons do not perform the ritual either and they have the right to distribute communion. They are ordinary ministers of Holy Communion. Therefore, it is not the intention of the Church that only those who wash their hand and recite the ritual prayer distribute communion. It never was. Priests concelebrating do not was their hands either and they too distribute Communion. The point is that the prayer and the ritual is not tied into the distribution of Communion. The six rites and the 22 Catholic Churches that make up the universal Catholic Church have deacons distributing communion since the Apostolic age. The ritual has never been tied in to the ministry of Holy Communion. It was meant for the celebrant.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
No one here is frustrated or angry.

Thank you for your concern.
You’re very welcome. That’s my job. That was the mission given to me by my founder and my constitutions.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Because I go to an EF that same day. I should have stated that. Also, because I prefer to practice the Church’s universal norm and receive on the tongue while kneeling. That’s difficult in most OF Masses, contrary to the indult.
No one is supposed to deny you the sacrament, because you choose to kneel and receive on the tongue. If they do, you have every right to complain to the pastor and then to the chancery.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
You’re right, lay receivers cannot wash their hand during Mass. We trust that they come to Church with their hands clean. The same way, how can you be sure that those who receive COTT brushed their teeth and flossed? Wouldn’t food stuck between one’s teeth also be a defilement of the Sacred Host?
Dunno. I wipe wipe my rear-end and pick my nose with my hand. I’m careful about what I put in my mouth. So I’d say COTT is the safer option.

I think EMHCs and CITH just add more bother and potential for sacrilege to the rite e.g. search on the phrase ‘EMHC guidelines’. google.com/search?q=EMHC+guidelines There seems to be a deal of variety.

One site I found had a poignant line, which I paraphrase: “If a communicant doesn’t consume the host immediately, say quietly (as they walk away): 'Please consume the host now”.

Lunacy.
 
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